What's your Minecraft Username?: celexaprozac
What's the title of your suggestion?: Allow for goats to leave the forest

What's your suggestion?:
Hello fellow goat whitelist owners and goat enthusiasts! DO I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR YOU?

Hear me out. Letting goats leave the forest.

Yes, sure, maybe seeing a goat in plaza or shotengai is a little weird, BUT. Goats being limited to just the forest is an incredibly limiting roleplay opportunity and I don't just mean geographically! Goats are often utilised as therapy animals in many clinical and the****utic settings for a variety of reasons, and well, I'm not sure if any of you noticed, but the forest isn't a clinical environment! Not at all! It also certainly isn't in the interest of patient privacy to host therapy in the forest!

Now, while I am not suggesting a full integration of goat therapy into EMS, the opportunity to do so in roleplay independently of faction integration is always available but currently remains extremely limited. While the forest is very diverse, rarely does RP outside of natural disasters or spiritual trauma occur within it. I say this as someone who has spent a large amount of time on my goat whitelist. While yes, interacting with new players and oldgens trying to fish up enough money to free their GangRP characters or pay their first ever rent on the server is always entertaining, that's about all there is to offer at this time with any degree of consistency.

Whether or not this range extension would persist into the Shrine where they are presently disallowed (you are capable of walking up there, but you are liable to be told in /looc to leave) remains up to the Shrine and the team behind making these decisions, I would personally love the opportunity to interact with the Shrine more on my goat as in all of my experiences with them wandering the forest, it has been a treat.

There are more opportunities outside of this for goats to roleplay, but this is the one most relevant to myself and why I am so passionate regarding this issue, though I am beyond excited to read other comments and feedback on this suggestion!

How will this benefit the server and community?:
This will diversify the RP experience for owners of the goat whitelist and those on the server by creating new engaging, interesting, and unique methods to interact with the animals within Karakura and help to promote others to consider getting a goat whitelist.

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Speaking as a higher up for the Shrine, I do NOT want goats up there. This is an opinion shared by many faction members also. They're louder than other animals and far more of a disturbance than other animals.

I personally see no reason for them to leave the forest, especially since bears too are restricted.

I think it'd be cool to see more occurrences were animals leave the forest - however, i do not believe it should be so easily accepted. I believe you should have had the whitelist for more than 2 OOC months, and get staff's permission. At the end of the day, roleplay is roleplay and people shouldn't be annoyed if they have a goat come up to them; it also makes sense for goats to wander up to the shrine, as mountain terrain was /very/ explored by animals like goats and bears.

I think under staff-permission and clear understanding, meaning they must have a reason for it, and it should be for roleplay, not to just try and attack people.

Goats can be, and have been, domesticated for over 9,000 years.
I see no reason for them to be confined to the forest and mountain range.
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As for the shrine (or any other faction): if they do not wish for goats to enter, the faction can forbid entry.
Cf: BEARS being confined to the forest, I can understand because they actually pose a danger, and can't be domesticated.

Curiously, foxes, which are WAY harder to domesticate and usually result in a lot of legal rigamarole if you want to have one as a pet, can roam the streets of Karakura just fine. But GOATS? Y'know, the creatures humans have been using for land management and numerous other purposes? For generations? That's a step too far? I'm not understanding this logic.

Goats do not fit either criterion ('danger', 'unable to domesticate'), so I really do not see any reason to restrict roleplay here.

All of the reasons I've heard about so far do not really convince me.

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twenie1 said:

I think it'd be cool to see more occurrences were animals leave the forest - however, i do not believe it should be so easily accepted. I believe you should have had the whitelist for more than 2 OOC months, and get staff's permission. At the end of the day, roleplay is roleplay and people shouldn't be annoyed if they have a goat come up to them; it also makes sense for goats to wander up to the shrine, as mountain terrain was /very/ explored by animals like goats and bears.

I think under staff-permission and clear understanding, meaning they must have a reason for it, and it should be for roleplay, not to just try and attack people.

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I think staff have an overwhelming amount of tasks to do already and adding another, while yes incredibly niche but still another task to their agendas to review is not fair to the staff team. Overall misuse of a whitelist can result in the removal of it, which should be enough of a deterrent for any players who may wish to test the limits. I like where your head is at, I just don't think giving staff an increased workload is the solution to this incredibly niche issue.

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it doesnt make sense for goats to be allowed within the city, them staying in the forest and mountains are just fine

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I don't see a huge reason not to, I suppose, as long as there are certain restrictions set to not make it terribly "unrealistic" or disturb the actual roleplay factor much, then I don't think it would hurt to allow this

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I don't see why it'd be a problem.

Omegabet_ said:

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I don't see why it'd be a problem.

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In days past I am told many Goat whitelist owners would RP unrealistically, often causing trouble, headbutting people or more. I've heard some particular complaints from Shrine members about in the past some goats even trying to headbutt people off the mountain or mountain paths and so on. People misused goat whitelists the way people currently misuse bear whitelists, though I think stronger enforcement and better awareness within the playerbase about what is acceptable and unacceptable usage of a whitelist would get more reports generated and get more warnings issued, straightening people out more than in days past.

For instance, the biggest misuse of the bear whitelist at current is people majorly assaulting others with their bear whitelist without the appropriate perms, as a bear mauling results in recovery. Rarely do bears ever naturally gain major permissions.

"5.12c Animals cannot enter combat unless they have IC motive and they must follow all existing combat rules and permission requirements that apply to them."

Currently, animal whitelist users have the motive part on lock, for the most part. What they don't have on lock is the permissions required, and realistically, a bear bite constitutes major permissions since it results in recovery, a goat headbutting someone down a mountain should constitute majors at least, depending on the size of the fall due to the inevitability of bones breaking.

That being said, as I outlined above, furthered player awareness and increased staff attention to these matters would largely resolve most issues that users and owners of these whitelists perpetuate. I do not think those who break the rules should limit the freedoms of those who follow them.

I understand I'm technically arguing against my own suggestion here, but it's an important notion worth considering with this suggestion.