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Creating More Diverse Gang RP Options

TheEz8Fury

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TheEz8Fury
TheEz8Fury
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What's your Minecraft Username?: TheEz8Fury
What's the title of your suggestion?: Creating More Diverse Gang RP Options

What's your suggestion?:
So, I want to make it clear that I'm very happy with the recent direction that the staff team has been taking this server; the regular updates have been very positive as of late. That being said, I recently had a conversation that had rather inspired me to toss this idea out there: normalize non-violent criminal events. I would like for all of us to accept that not every crime event has to end in a catastrophic explosion or destruction in its wake.

The fact of the matter is, a vast bulk of organized criminal organizations in the real world aren't just pursuing "chaos" or a vague notion of "havoc". The majority of them have concrete goals in mind that, in actuality, align with BUILDING something as opposed to DESTROYING something. I feel like normalizing this sentiment is key to creating more grounded and enjoyable events for groups that aren't street gangs or delinquent groups.

To put it very simply, we should encourage groups that pursue event ideas outside the traditional line of thinking. For argument's sake, let's look at Immertreu's last UVG event: a demolition job of the beach parking lot on account of it being Masahiko's "side of the city". This was motivated by a long standing feud between the two syndicates, which was a result of multiple fights, arguments, and other dramatic plot points that led up to the event.

Sticking with the idea of a territorial mindset, as most gangs actually do, let's entertain another idea hypothetically. Take, for instance, a mob family that claims business park as its territory. However, a large portion of the city doesn't KNOW that this part of the city is claimed by the mob hypothetically, as a Black Dragons spray currently exists in the back alleyway and has existed for months. The mob family, wishing to keep its neighborhood clean as the mafia historically did (generally, anyway), as well as impose its authority, proceeds to clean up the back alleyway and power wash the old Black Dragons sprays away. They also make improvements to the homeless shelters in the area, providing new stools to sit in, cleaning the garbage up, sweeping the dirt off, and providing new blankets.

Makes sense, right? Not only is it an original idea that deviates far off from the existing mindset of chaos and destruction, it's also a fitting theme for the gang's premise in question. This event will also alter the map and make said gang's influence known.

However, due to the fact that the current criteria for an official crime event seems to be largely limited to delinquent/violent activity (like spraying, smashing stuff up, etc.), this idea is not feasible. Due to the fact that some kind of delinquent activity is basically required to go through with this event, a gang that disapproves of delinquency cannot actually do this reasonable and very feasible event. This criteria for what constitutes as a crime event, as a result, would be better for every gang (established or brand new), if it were more lenient and flexible. By simply shifting the goal posts, so many more event ideas could be accepted and made with ease.

TL;DR: What I'm suggesting isn't just to normalize non-violent gang RP events, it's to also grant gangs that deviate from delinquency or extremely destructive tendencies the chance to give crime RP, as a whole, more opportunities.

Minor Disclaimer: I am not saying that delinquent events or violent events are bad. They're fantastic. But I wish that we weren't all limited to them.

How will this benefit the server and community?:
This suggestion will benefit the crime community quite a bit in my opinion; it'll normalize gangs influencing the server in more ways than just "I'll hit you in the face with a bat if you cross me", as well making their presence ultimately known for their actual specialties with server events. The past trends and precedents set by gangs like Valhalla and BD will no longer HAVE to bind gangs that want to propose an official event to staff. Don't get me wrong, Valhalla and BD were absolutely fantastic gangs as someone who once co-led the former and worked very closely with the latter's leaders (luv u zai and nookski if ur reading this). However, something as simple as leaving a mark on a territory (as I gave an example for prior) can make a gang's presence known and feared, without them needing to be overly violent, excessively hostile, or engage in delinquent activity!
 
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80sJeremy

Level 45
80sJeremy
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Overall, +1



Some people may think otherwise, however I don't.

I think that this suggestion is fantastic, much needed to be specific. Expanding Crime Roleplay beyond violence and destruction as it is partially now would add more depth to the server's crime side of roleplay. The example you provided is great, this shows how it may be impactful or immersive without defaulting to violence. It allows gangs to leave their mark on the server in more meaningful ways rather through fights or property damage.

I fully support this idea, and hope to see more flexibility in the future of crime moving forwards.

~ Black Market Dealer, 80sJeremy
 

justsimba

Level 73
HazukiPlayZ
HazukiPlayZ
Omega+
Honestly +1

I don't see why events require some sort of violence, if there is enough valid reasoning behind the event happening, with the proper planning and communication events like these could happen much more often. It's actually made me excited to see events from gangs like Immertreu do events while sure it stimmed from violence it generally wasn't something that was a big thing that resulted in lots of blood loss, fighting, etc.
I do like to believe events like this happen more often than we think, or at least the ideas for it to happen but people aren't sure how to make it happen or they happen under the radar. Honestly only reason I know about the beach parking lot stuff is because my shop is located in the parking lot so I witness a lot of activity that happens there that unless you see it, you don't know about it until it's announced in a crime discord or something.
 
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Ecocide

Level 75
3Eco
3Eco
Omega+
+1

Anyone who drops a -1 on this does not want to see the server grow or they just loveee those perms and just those perms.
As someone whos been in KPD for 4+ years? I've had the amazing opportunity to see many different wide variety or gang types and gangrp ideas, some that would even clash with kpd 90% of the time. I'm personally tired of seeing the same font copy and pasted to each gang and think we should encourage better and new ideas. We don't want the crime faction being left behind while other factions on SRP continue to grow and change to the player base, tho i do understand that the crime faction has been extremely hard to please in the past.

I think we should consider these ideas and view them more as how like shop faction runs things or how verified business run things, Doing this will also create better roleplay options for people interested in getting into it. In reality Karakura is a crime filled town, one of the worst ones in Japan. .so of course there's gonna be groups that pop up and don't exactly agree with the government so instead they'll probably try to fix things on their own rather then relying on town or KPD to get around to doing it.

The server is also moving in a more. ."kid friendly" direction now a days, while I don't want crimerp to fall into that change I think it would be more beneficial for the server to make crimerp not just "chaos and havoc" as EZ put it. Encouraging this kind of evolution of gangrp will also help people in crimerp create more detail characters, it encourages roleplay above all else and that should be more then welcomed on a minecraft roleplay server. .
 

SIMPL3Z

Level 115
Genuine question: What are you suggesting?

You're talking about a new social norm and ideal, not a clear concept or idea. What are your actual and concrete suggestions? A new rule? A change in the rules? A policy/condition change? — This is more of a TED talk than a suggestion.


~ Former SRP player, Lore-Team member, Black Market Dealer, Dark Auction and Fight Club Director and gang-lead, SIMPL3Z
 

F1F4

Level 8
F1F4
F1F4
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I like the idea of your concept, but I feel as if this can be done without a formal suggestion, no? All you need to do is genuinely write down the ideas and share it with other gangs.

We can also talk about how sensical or confusing it is for gangs to randomly contribute for the greater good via recovering homeless shelters and removing graffiti in alleyways. Realistically speaking, your gang (for arguments sake) had been developing for awhile and it would be strange for it to deviate into a new chapter.

Also, violence will *somehow* always be included in a back-and-forth conflict whether if the event’s inception was non-violent or vice versa. With each gang containing 30 members or so, assuming—somebody will deviate from the peacefulness of the nature and strike, as gangs in this ‘server’ have been nurtured to do just that.

Aside from that, you should have the capability to do something like that considering you’re a Yakuza-oriented gang. The others? Not so much. I’d imagine delinquents care about eating Cheetos and beating up random teenagers, and merely that. No harm in trying, however! Good luck :)!

Off topic: If you’re gonna leave a decent comment to the suggestion, refrain from using AI because it comes off as really scummy and disingenuous.

- Ex-Black Market Dealer, Notable Ex-Fight Club Director, F1F4
 

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