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HOMEWORK EDUCATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!

ᶻ Wrath ♡ .ᐟ

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What's your Minecraft Username?: Famlne
What's the title of your suggestion?: HOMEWORK EDUCATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!

What's your suggestion?:
I present; yet another suggestion!!!

I VERY MUCH FUCK WITH the new homework system, however, I've found it to be relatively inefficient with what it seeks to accomplish, being an alternative to the yearround ever-awaited exams, and a secondary option to advance to college.

Though, while it is anticipated to be utilized EVERY class you attend, let's be real, this expectation is pretty unrealistic- and that's okay! Homework needing to go through a system of approval every time it is used will indefinitely delay it's usage. I find no issue with this, besides the expectation of it's consistancy within the student body and teachers; And while the anticipated time to graduate is around 1-2 months- I've realized this is unrealistic.
With the Quota system in place for teachers, the expectation to host classes is indefinite, and the likelihood of being able to formulate a homework assignment for EVERY class you host sounds borderline impossible in practice, unless you limit yourselves and the amount of classes to be each and every one intricately planned, with a homework, dedicated plan- and you'd likely be sacrificing a lot of opportunities to host, despite being the most practical option. I don't think it's optimal to condemn teachers for spontinuity, as a balanced amount of the subjects don't necessarily revolve around needing intricate planning, though it may supply to it's practice and how much the students may learn- but having classes soley for roleplay purposes (Things like drama or art class) don't always need to have something to learn from, and are perfectly fine functioning as a group-roleplay excercise to participate in classes as well as roleplay in a larger group than usual.

In reality, I've found the likelihood of homework being assigned to an attended class to be about 1/4.
Time for some statistics!


Here's the paragraph in the homework announcement I've mostly been dwelling on. While accurate in it's base conclusion- I find there's a few necessary additonal factors to be weighed within this conclusion.

While it is accurate to say that attending 2 classes everyday, within 2 months, while doing the homework for all of them, is to be found that you will quite easily pass to college.

As I've stated, I've found the closer accurate statistic to the likelihood of a class having homework to be about 1/4- Dwindling that 1-2 classes down to be about needing to attend 4 classes in one day in total to achieve one piece of homework- and that's IF you're online for possibly 2 whole schooldays- and IF anyone is hosting classes to begin with, AND with assigned homework! The statistic complicates itself indefinitely, but could be defended to balance itself out one way or another, by being extremely active on some days or another, this isn't something that can be exactly defined concretely, of course, but taking these into account, the original ideal of taking about 2 months to graduate- expands itself into far more than that, into 4- or even 6 months with a consistant dedicated effort, which I find is genuinely unfair to those who don't have the time to put in to gamble for a class with homework, as it will indefinitely take them much longer. And while it's just as fair to say that these people aren't as active and will objectively simply take longer just off of that fact alone, I'd like to present an alternative!

While the original announcement suggests the idea of altering the education credit requirement and the standard, I find a much more efficient alternative, as the homework system indefinitely hinders within the expectation of it's use, to stimultaneously increase the value in it! While a bit soon, perhaps, to do this, I think it would be far more efficient to simply increase the value of it, raising the education points benefited from a passed completion from a number from 2 to a max of 5 (If we're really feeling THAT generous..), rather than 1 point per homework completed.

Increasing the value of homework I believe would balance out it's use in functionality. While seemingly a little stupid from an ICly standpoint, I think it makes perfect sense from an OOCly one to put a higher reward on completion, due to the complications of being able to complete it in the first place.


How will this benefit the server and community?:
I think increasing the education points benefitted from completing and passing homework will put less consistent pressure on teachers, as well as offer a bit of a more balanced reward for it's completion for those attempting to get into college.

Edit: I think, as I've discussed in the comments, that the ideal for the homework plugin would be to switch it's expectation from quite as 'homework'- to something more valuable, not only to accomodate for it's suggested heightened credit given, but to lessen the pressure and expectation on teachers, perhaps something only handed out on special occasions, seeing as they're something that has layers upon layers to pass through, in regards to SLT and it's approval. It's not fair to teachers to expect them to infinitely crank out homework as often as they host a class, nor- as the calculations i've concluded above suggests- is possible. However, I think the perfect balance between both someone doing homework and expected to supply it, is to increase it's value on both ends, something to be more intricately thought about and rarer, but also something to be more highly debated and thought-provoking through classes and roleplay that might be necessary to know the answers- like a teacher's own supplied long-term exam.
Seeing as it's something replacing the exams, I think having something similar in function, while I understand it's purpose to be a more long-term version of a show of activity and dedication, puts a lot more pressure on the teachers from students, as i've read through these comments. ^_^

thank you for coming :3

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frenzyyy

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I don't think you should grind homework tasks to begin with. Where is the fun in the roleplay with that, I think that it's something to be done overtime. In real life, you can't just skip highschool and rush to college or adulthood. If everybody got everything they wanted easier, there would be no challenge, there would be no goal and no fun. In every game, and even in life, there are challenges, if you had everything, there would be nothing to strive towards.

Little note, homework was added to encourage people to go to classes more, this is a School Roleplay server, so classes are a vital part of the server.
 

DarkEclipic

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i agree with frenzy, you shouldn't be tanking out these classes JUST for homework assignments. Not all teachers give homework EVERY period. if you really want to rush things, join a faction and go that route
 

ᶻ Wrath ♡ .ᐟ

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I don't think you should grind homework tasks to begin with. Where is the fun in the roleplay with that, I think that it's something to be done overtime. In real life, you can't just skip highschool and rush to college or adulthood. If everybody got everything they wanted easier, there would be no challenge, there would be no goal and no fun. In every game, and even in life, there are challenges, if you had everything, there would be nothing to strive towards.

Little note, homework was added to encourage people to go to classes more, this is a School Roleplay server, so classes are a vital part of the server.
This isn’t really about grinding out homework, moreso rewarding for accomplishing it to encourage more of its usage for both a student and teacher’s side ^_^ I explained in my suggestion how it is a very difficult accomplishment- even impossible, to do. Spanning possibly over 6 months to even achieve with nothing but purely grinding to even do this via. homework, making this method almost completely useless, even with a dedicated effort. I agree, people shouldn’t, but expecting people to nonstop grind daily for 6 months (the statistic id come up with) to even achieve this to begin with is completely ridiculous. I’m not saying it’s a challenge, i’m saying it’d take 6 months straight of even trying to do it if attempted through homework, which is enough time for someone to easily lose interest. However, if this is something someone wishes to do, even if it’s necessarily something they shouldn’t- it should at the very least be possible by any regard whatsoever, as my suggestion explains that it’s basically impossible to grind out homework anyways- However, should be granted a sufficient/equal reward when it comes to completing it.
The original idea to resolve this, would be to overall completely lower the education points required to graduate this, my alternative wishes to keep it with the same level- But permit more points for accomplishing something that offers to contribute to that.

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i agree with frenzy, you shouldn't be tanking out these classes JUST for homework assignments. Not all teachers give homework EVERY period. if you really want to rush things, join a faction and go that route
I explained in my suggestion that teachers don’t tend to put out homework, along with the statistic i’ve found to be how often it is put out. With that in mind, I suggest that it be worth more to be more rewarding for both students and teachers, and further encouraged.

I’m not saying by any regard that attending classes simply for homework is encouraged by any means, i’m saying with the addition of homework’s frequency, it should be more rewarding in its accomplishment.

Thank you for feedback, i’m happy to elaborate on my thoughts :3
 
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GoodbyeRanden

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Fellow Teacher over here, yeah I also agree with Frenzy and Dark. In my Opinion Teacher faction is probably one of thee Hardest Factions to do on SRP. It's a very rewarding faction, yet it's also very stressful and tiring one at that. It's a faction where you must invest a lot of your real life time just to do prep for classes and of course homework. Additionally there's the added pressure of being the face for newer player or greenies what everyone calls them so that extra layer of being able to execute our role in the faction is much more significant as we can determine if a newer player leaves entirely or stays for much longer. And with all of these expectations on us it's very exhausting. I've seen so many people in the faction join and leave and I knew a few teachers as of now who're burnt out at the moment. And with the addition of the Homework plugin, it's really something you shouldn't be grind like you would with your attributes. Doing so will ultimately take away the value of being in a interactive and roleplay based class being the whole idea of what being a Teacher on SRP is all about. As for the teacher's POV, homework isn't something we can hand out like candy. Every Homework we makes must get approved by SLT and even then SLT members also have lives outside of SRP and cant approve assignments 24/7. In short us teachers here are entertainers, not another extension of the server's plugin.

Therefore when players constantly bombard us with "Go Hosting Classes. Do your Job" or "Give Us Homework." Has started to somewhat get on my nerve to where I don't wanna host class for them. I even had one person trying to gaslight me into thinking if I don't host class while on my teacher character I could get a Faculty strike even though I was above Quota and they never joined any of my classes. In the end of the day, We all have our own lives outside of SRP and it's best we treat us Teacher with the up most respect.

Instead of being needy and wanting more from us, It's best we make the most out of what we offer you as teachers on SRP.
 
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wethecreature

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I can definitely understand the desire for the homework system to be more rewarding because of its varying frequency and difficulty, however, at base level, the current education credit awarded for homework makes sense to me and prevents any grinding (not that you were suggesting that) as well as feels reasonable for the sole reason that we would rather not have an extreme influx of college students so quickly (speaking as a professor here). If your suggested max education points per homework was followed, it would mean that a student would only need ten classes with homework to become college - this would basically mean that students would jump to college very quickly giving is a TON more students and also rushing the whole grade process. College, in my opinion, is something to be worked for. (Of course my point is more invalid for lower amounts like 2, but I think you get the idea).

Totally get your point though, and I think that the possible solution (that I could think of for this suggestion) would be to allow special markers for certain homework assignments (say if we could have certain homework assignments be tests, or mark them as important) that allow them to give out higher points. Obviously this could have its negatives and hard to solve issues BUT it would make some realistic sense if say - once or twice a month, a teacher or professor could make it so a piece of homework was worth more. I would say in the end we should keep it the way we have it, but this could be one way to do it.
 

ᶻ Wrath ♡ .ᐟ

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Totally get your point though, and I think that the possible solution (that I could think of for this suggestion) would be to allow special markers for certain homework assignments (say if we could have certain homework assignments be tests, or mark them as important) that allow them to give out higher points. Obviously this could have its negatives and hard to solve issues BUT it would make some realistic sense if say - once or twice a month, a teacher or professor could make it so a piece of homework was worth more. I would say in the end we should keep it the way we have it, but this could be one way to do it.

I think this is about the closest I can think to what the ideal would be. I think homework should be worth more, however, with it already being relatively difficult to process through, with needing certain passes through systems and all to even reach a state to be assigned. It's already something established to be difficult for teachers to do, and there's no issue with that. I think it should be worth more so that teachers not only can put more thought and effort for them, (even some not necessarily needing to apply homework whatsoever, in certain subjects.) but be able to apply them where they really matter so that they can be worth more not only for the students, but as a valuable tool for teachers.
I don't want the teachers to feel obligated to assign a homework EVERY class, as it's been presented, or for students to pressure and expect that, as some have explained they've felt pressured above, I think it'd be better if it were reserved for something special, like the end of a certain study (as I know you like to format your classes), or where a teacher may deem it necessary as a reward to students, as well as a test of their knowledge. - To contribute alongside your points, and expand upon my own idea, I think the homework system would be an amazing way to replace tests in certain situations, and give a sort of drive for them to actually pay attention throughout certain classes and spanned-out lessons. However, with this, and a certain height placed upon the idea, I think it would be a great way to balance out the flaws that I've noticed already within the system. (and hopefully decrease the expectation on teachers for consistency in these regards)


Therefore when players constantly bombard us with "Go Hosting Classes. Do your Job" or "Give Us Homework." Has started to somewhat get on my nerve to where I don't wanna host class for them. I even had one person trying to gaslight me into thinking if I don't host class while on my teacher character I could get a Faculty strike even though I was above Quota and they never joined any of my classes. In the end of the day, We all have our own lives outside of SRP and it's best we treat us Teacher with the up most respect.

Instead of being needy and wanting more from us, It's best we make the most out of what we offer you as teachers on SRP.


I feel like a lot of people have missed the point and idea behind this suggestion. . . I may have phrased this in a more complicated way than necessary, and I fear It may have muddied my ideas in the process.

I'm in no way wanting to put more pressure on teachers, in fact I hope to relieve pressure, not only for teachers, who feel intimidated by the current system, but the students abiding by it (with, as I point out, much struggle and pressure for an absurd amount of points) to hopefully follow a persuit into college. I want there to be a shift in focus for homework, to increase the value- to decrease the intensity it's brought within the student body. To make it something more difficult, but more structured in it's usage so that people have to pay attention. I don't expect to wholeheartedly relieve the tensions and pressure the system brings with it's introduction, but the fact there IS this innate pressure to begin with, means that it is flawed. I do not wish to imply by any means that I am disregarding Teacher's efforts, as it is assuredly the opposite, my apologies.
 

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