GangRP Suggestion: Weapon Concealments/Some Balancing.

[HunterHampter]

IGN: HunterHampter
DATE: 22/03/2022 | 03/22/2022
WHAT YOU WANTED TO SUGGEST OR MENTION:


A Random Suggestion that probably gonna get denied but here's my shot.

Small Weapons Additional Buff: If you have a small weapons of sort (Ex: Pocket Knife and PK Custom Reskins, Hunting Dagger, etc) and it's in your inventory, and you are getting patted down by a cop, you may or may not /roll 20 for it to not be found, for new players it means you have to do /roll 20 twice, and the second roll must be higher than the first one (meaning if you rolled 5 for the first roll, you need to get 5+ for the second roll).

Or perhaps you'd have to action to hide the weapon prior to getting patted down somehow and in a realistic manner where it would make sense to hide it there, before being able to /roll 20 for it, Of course their action to hide it have to realisticly make sense in a way.

Metal Detectors in the KPD Station will find the "concealed" weapon regardless of what it is, and where you actioned to hide it, to balance out so that people still CANNOT bring weapons inside the Station.

(Keep in mind, only Knifes, small weapons, so this do not apply to big weapons like Naginata's, refrain from commenting about it before you read this fully.)

And sure, other weapons needs to be rebalanced as well if these type of suggestion is accepted (Statement from Yonio), especially making Naginatas Visible when someone have it in their possession: At first i suggested some sort of system that locks Naginatas once they are moved to your inventory to either locks naginatas in your main hand, or locked into your off-hand if you switched weapons/try to put it away. (It could apply to other big weapons but it's up to discussion)

But that was too complicated, other possible solutions are making someone with a Naginata in their inventory have a Spectral arrow effect, however this proves to be unbalanced cause Spectral Effects can be seen through walls.. or make it if they move the naginatas around their inventory they get certain amount of time of Spectral Arrow Effect.

As for balancing to make sure it's not overused, perhaps make it so that if you did attempt to "hide" your weapons but failed the /roll 20 the police may arrest you for more than just minor weaponry possession but also for attempted weapon concealment, thus increasing the possible bail and jail-time


Personal Opinion: Although a bit confusing and complicated, it could somewhat balance out GangRP and CopRP, and maybe something in between, Perhaps Gang Members may look at knifes differently, making it somewhat more than just a "Low-tier Weapon" while Police Officers may have an easier time locating Gang Members if they are caught outside with an arsenal in their inventory, as for the Naginata or "Big Weapons" they may be the same, or may be buffed to accomodate for their Concealment nerf...?

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HOW WILL THIS BENEFIT THE SERVER/COMMUNITY?: It makes smaller weapons like Hunting Daggers, Pocket Knives, or any small weapons like Brass Knuckles have something unique about them, rather than making them the all-underdog of the weapon roster, Rebalancing Big Weapons, and overall balancing GangRP and CopRP and maybe something in between.

Extra: All of this is not an exact suggestion to add, i will still update to comments concerning about an aspect of this feature that is being suggested, if they were to be added it may be changed from the core system by the owners, this is just a concept suggestion to introduce something new to GangRP, CopRP and including School Faculties, as it heavily limits GangRPer when it comes to walk around armed with a big weapon while giving them a possible benefits via random chance of getting away with a minor weaponry.


What do you guys think? Is the original idea suggested a good idea? and if so, how would you think it should be balanced including the balancing of other weapons like naginatas? Share your opinion down below.

 

[GINGYZ]

+1
I likey this

 

[gold fish]

++++1

makes sense, sometimes the cops miss things, and people are... creative.. sometimes to say the least. the cops miss stuff, it happens, it can happen in game too! :D i dont gangrp so i dont really know if this would be gud or not but it seems to make lotsa sens e to me !!

 

[Gunna!]

Something like this was already suggested but got denied, cops are trained to make a mistake when patting someone down, remember they pat you down once going down and again going up thoroughly to never miss anything

 

[HunterHampter]

Something like this was already suggested but got denied, cops are trained to make a mistake when patting someone down, remember they pat you down once going down and again going up thoroughly to never miss anything

True, maybe perhaps gangrper must action to hide it first somewhere that make sense.

 

[BearDucky]

-1
There will always be that one person who does
/me he’d hide his obvious nagi or katana.
Overall not fair as it will yet again be abused. If anything have people roll 20 and cops will roll 100 against it.

 

[Gunna!]

True, maybe perhaps gangrper must action to hide it first somewhere that make sense.

Where would they hide it? They don't know that cops are coming and you can't hide a weapon mid search right? Even if they did know cops were coming they would leave the area and store it somewhere else

 

[HunterHampter]

-1
There will always be that one person who does
/me he’d hide his obvious nagi or katana.
Overall not fair as it will yet again be abused. If anything have people roll 20 and cops will roll 100 against it.

As mentioned in the Suggestions, big weapons wont be able to do it, so only knives can allow you to /roll 20.

 

[BearDucky]

-1
There will always be that one person who does
/me he’d hide his obvious nagi or katana.
Overall not fair as it will yet again be abused. If anything have people roll 20 and cops will roll 100 against it.

Bare in mind when your realistically arrest they skiprp the whole process of arresting so you will instantly go threw the metal detector

 

[HunterHampter]

Where would they hide it? They don't know that cops are coming and you can't hide a weapon mid search right? Even if they did know cops were coming they would leave the area and store it somewhere else

Perhaps in their shoes, or basically anywhere that make sense, it allows for creative thinking while still being realistic.

 

[BearDucky]

As mentioned in the Suggestions, big weapons wont be able to do it, so only knives can allow you to /roll 20.

Id still say it’s so unfair and also I said ‘there will be that one person’, but cops should be able to roll against it, not other people against their own roll, been suggested before. And denied. You get caught with a weapon then it’s your own fault. No doubt Gangrpers will +1 this…

 

[HunterHampter]

Bare in mind when your realistically arrest they skiprp the whole process of arresting so you will instantly go threw the metal detector

It's only when they are patting you down in public before they TP'd you to the police station via the Handcuffs

 

[BearDucky]

C

Perhaps in their shoes, or basically anywhere that make sense, it allows for creative thinking while still being realistic.

This will increase metagaming and also they’d see u do it…

 

[HunterHampter]

C

This will increase metagaming and also they’d see u do it…

Can you explain on how it will increase meta-gaming?

I do believe it would reward people with the more Weapon stats Knowledge, and plus, the only way i see where people can abuse it is that they do it before they go anywhere, in which case it can still be found, it's just that you got a chance for it to not be found.

 

[BearDucky]

It will increase meta because people will go to KPD during their friend committing a crime and when they tell them that they’re on their way, then they will simply action to hide it resulting in meta, as said it’s been suggest before and denied, nor would this be fair on KPD

 

[HunterHampter]

Id still say it’s so unfair and also I said ‘there will be that one person’, but cops should be able to roll against it, not other people against their own roll, been suggested before. And denied. You get caught with a weapon then it’s your own fault. No doubt Gangrpers will +1 this…

It's a suggestion, it doesnt necessarily have to be /roll 20, it can be any roll that seems fitting, it may benefits gangrper, but it also discourage people from bringing a weapon anywhere thinking they wont be seen having it if they didn't get searched

 

[HunterHampter]

It will increase meta because people will go to KPD during their friend committing a crime and when they tell them that they’re on their way, then they will simply action to hide it resulting in meta, as said it’s been suggest before and denied, nor would this be fair on KPD

Oh, they can balance it out by making Metal Detectors effectively disabling the whole /roll 20 thing, making the weapons always will be found by Metal Detectors

I can't mention everything to balance it, as i was in a hurry but i will specified it if im editing the suggestions again, so please, keep feedbacks and possible thing i can point out.

If you want to discuss about it, just hit my DMs, im open to discussion

 

[Infi]

-1
Although I admit it is an interesting concept, it’s also a concept that’s far too complicated to implement into the server. Staff has enough trouble dealing with GangRP help tickets, I wouldn’t want to give them more problems.

Furthermore, there’s no realism in rolling. However that has always been an arguable dispute among GangRPers. So whether or not you roll to hide a weapon or just let KPD pat you down, it still defeats the purpose of realism.

Lastly, as stated in comments above, the KPD is trained ICly to detect any weapons on any body. During a pat down, they do a thorough search everywhere, so there’s no excuse as to how you’d remotely hide a blade even if it is a small one like a pocket knife.

In the event that there is OOC consent involved, sometimes an officer would let you throw a small weapon behind a bush in order to avoid an arrest. However that is very unlikely. So in the end it all comes down to evasion, avoiding cops, passing weapons, or just accepting your fate and taking the arrest like a champ.

 

[Lizalopod]

-1

Sorry but, knowing gangrpers they'll likely find some way to exploit this

 

[HunterHampter]

-1
Although I admit it is an interesting concept, it’s also a concept that’s far too complicated to implement into the server. Staff has enough trouble dealing with GangRP help tickets, I wouldn’t want to give them more problems.

Furthermore, there’s no realism in rolling. However that has always been an arguable dispute among GangRPers. So whether or not you roll to hide a weapon or just let KPD pat you down, it still defeats the purpose of realism.

Lastly, as stated in comments above, the KPD is trained ICly to detect any weapons on any body. During a pat down, they do a thorough search everywhere, so there’s no excuse as to how you’d remotely hide a blade even if it is a small one like a pocket knife.

In the event that there is OOC consent involved, sometimes an officer would let you throw a small weapon behind a bush in order to avoid an arrest. However that is very unlikely. So in the end it all comes down to evasion, avoiding cops, passing weapons, or just accepting your fate and taking the arrest like a champ.

Valid Opinion of the matter, and i would certainly understand the whole "Complicated Concept" It is a very complicated concept, but again after all it's a suggestion, there a ton of ways to make it Balanced, but i would like to addess these reasonings of yours on why this concept should not be accepted and implemented in a Systematic Point of view in-game.


In terms of Realism yes, it may not be realistic, yes, Police should be able to find every weapon if they are patting someone, but to be truthful if we're talking realistically, sometimes police may miss something in real life as well, as to in-game, it can be not a guaranteed success for the Gang Member, but it does allow them (especially new players for the scene) to at least have a chance if they ever do make a first time mistake involving police, however as mentioned above, it does NOT favor one side of the spectrum, Gang Members gets minor buff on their Small weapons category, while also simultaneously getting a possibly huge nerf for weapons like a Naginata, Fire axes, Katanas and maybe perhaps even Bats of any kind, which is making some of them visible, Yonio told me theres should be a counter thing to balance out big weapons as well, as for OOC Consent... I'm gonna be honest here, and you and me both know this, OOC Consent hardly gets approved, You'd be very lucky to get an OOC Consent for hiding weapons and other things such as unmasking a ballistic mask off without mugging it mid-combat to name one of them.

Now lastly for the complicated concept reason, there are something i would like to talk about it, therefore saving it for last, I believe it can also be a feature that is not openly introduced, but rather somehow passively introduced, to grant old knowledgeable players or new players that do actively search for information/looking at IC rules in the Forums to improve their GangRP Skills and be knowledgeable, without having it open for everyone to know and well... Poorly executed by new players that never reads the rules in the forums. (Even though people can just tell them about it but yeah, it's my attempt, sorry :c)