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More leniency on Fear-RP in Detention

twenie1

twenie1

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What's your Minecraft Username?: twenie1
What's the title of your suggestion?: More leniency on Fear-RP in Detention

What's your suggestion?:
This is something I've JUST experienced. And I have to say, it was COMPLETELY disheartening to find that your expected to drop character personality traits, lore and charater development simply to Fear-RP.

Now, firstly, I'll state this - FEAR RP IS ESSENTIAL - I know this. Fear-RP is needed to keep people bounded within School Grounds. But, actively expecting people to just lose sight of their Characters for it is NOT the way. For example. My delinquent character is backed up by lore (which has happened within the game through life and events thats transpired) with all due respect, he HATES government officials, councillors and really any form of the sorts. He's BOSOZOKU. It's drilled into his sub-culture. Although this isn't an excuse to just disregard Fear-RP, it's a reason as to why there SHOULD be active leniency. This isn't me saying, every criminal should get to act how they please. No. The point im making, is people should be able to Fear-RP whilst continuing on their Character's traits, and lore.

This server is encouraged to bring along detail, effort and utmost community-friendlyness. And, honestly. Being frowned upon in /looc when I Fear-RP whilst continuing on my Characters literal life disregards ALL of what you're building on this server.

When SLT are mentioned, this is a common norm to Fear-RP. It's understandable. it's a risk of losing your college-placement, or for High Schoolers; suspension, or worse. This is absolutely something people should be keen on preventing, but you want people to actively stop everything they've done for their characters to do that.

There has to be some form of leniency. Not a way to bypass Fear-RP, but to be able to not have to drop everything we've all worked towards for our characters.

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Please let me know on your guy's thoughts and feedback.​

How will this benefit the server and community?:
1. It'll actually reinforce the standards your setting for this server. You want people to have Detailed and Lore-driven Characters, you want people to put some effort into it all. This is one of the ways too that. I'm not even asking to stop Fear-RP in the Detention Room. I'm asking for a little leniency instead having to act like robots. Because then that detailed and lore driven effort you want is just thrown at the window.
 
-1

your not expected to drop your whole characters act at all.. just dial it down a bit. Even if there was more leniency, i dont believe it would change much. More people would get suspensions - and alot of people enjoy baiting. Which is against server rules and giving more leniency to fearrp would just give people more MOTIVATION to bait. They dont ask you to suddenly go all soggy and off character. All they ask is for you to dial down the behaviour - not change the whole personality. For example if your character was like. . emo and didnt gaf about the world and they need to fearrp, just go 'whatever.. sorry' or just stop. Overall i -1 this suggestion.
 
-1

Former hd teacher, detention isnt for messing around. If you are there, you are there to do your punishment and leave, not play around
 
GIANT -1

As a QP professor, all I'm saying is the following: Fearrp SHOULD be expanded. In detention, I see far too many acting up when, in reality, would you REALLY act up to get a suspension? It completely ruins roleplay and just tortures faculty. We are people as much as you are.
 
+1, as a former Councillor, brief Teacher as well as a former Delinquent RPer, more leniency with Fear RP is something I would like to see for people who actually RP it properly. I get that it's important to not be stupid and take things too far, and those that don't really RP properly should not be able to use it as a free ticket to push the limits just for the sake of pushing them, but those players should not hinder everyone else from being able to have proper in-character reactions and development in the side of being troublemakers or problem students.

I've had cases where for example my character, Kazane, was having an anger episode which was a huge part of her character at the time and I got called out for "fail RP" because she wouldn't immediately calm down the second that detention was threatened or the likes. Which is frankly ridiculous and in my opinion would be much more "fail RP" to break her character in an instant and ignore the actual reality of what a valid IC motivated outburst would be like.

Here's the thing: Characters are human and mistakes happen in reality. ...Otherwise people straight up wouldn't get suspended or expelled in reality, would they?

The trouble is finding the line; finding the point where it's "too much" for someone to be pushing things and trying to ebb as close to it as you can in my eyes. I'd rather encourage leniency and promote RP instead of enforcing an OOC rule just because you can, though. Letting people cook and just going with the flow of what they're putting down can lead to some really cool interactions, in the end as faculty, or council, your responsibility is to have a presence yes. However, conducting it in a way that's actually healthy for RP is much more crucial to me.

Detention is one of the most boring aspects of the server - and I get it's meant to be a punishment, but it's not meant to be an OOC punishment, it's an IC one for IC consequences. Let people express themselves and play their characters, otherwise what's the point of it? Again, within reason, don't let people be complete idiots or go completely out of line, at that point it's a bit too much. But less haste in going "fear rp please" in LOOC would go a long way.

You might as well stop pretending it's an IC punishment if you're shutting down RP so hard in the process of it, ya know?
 
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I don't see this as a suggestion, and rather just more of an eye opening to people. There are two sides to FearRP, the people to be feared, and the people fearing. I've seen 'FearRP' being used as a means to control, when rather, it should be used as a means of realism.

Here's how FearRP should look like.
Your in detention, and your character is angry about getting detention. Reasonable! How'd they get there? Well, let's say they had a bad day and got in a fight. You're actively speaking up in the detention room, first time you get told to stop talking, maybe that makes you more mad, so you scribble a bunch in the book. Now you've got another warning, so your character might be anxious, but still angry, maybe you toss the book in the garbage. Third offense, now SLT has been mentioned and your character realizes they need to tone it down, or else things might get too serious. They sit down angrily, crossing their arms, brows furrowed. They'll write as little as possible, and offer the book up and leave.

Here's a bad example of FearRP.
You just got detention for beating someone up, and now you're in the detention room. You refuse to sit down, earning your first warning where you start yelling at the people in the room. This yelling earns you another warning, which ticks your character off more, causing them to throw the book down onto the ground. Then, with your final warning of SLT, your character says "I don't care!!" with no sign of anxiety at all, then they start messing up the detention room.
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Basically, FearRP should be the fear of consequence from your character. Your character will get anxiety concerning: injury, punishment, jailtime, or other miserable experiences they can actively avoid. Do they have to enjoy it? No! The best way to go about it, is by expressing their emotions, with that show of anxiety and fear. They will do it, but maybe it takes them a minute. If the other party is immediately going to fear and not roleplaying with your character (given you're actively showing character's emotions) then you can always ask in LOOC for more roleplay!
 
kiratoara said:
-1

your not expected to drop your whole characters act at all.. just dial it down a bit. Even if there was more leniency, i dont believe it would change much. More people would get suspensions - and alot of people enjoy baiting. Which is against server rules and giving more leniency to fearrp would just give people more MOTIVATION to bait. They dont ask you to suddenly go all soggy and off character. All they ask is for you to dial down the behaviour - not change the whole personality. For example if your character was like. . emo and didnt gaf about the world and they need to fearrp, just go 'whatever.. sorry' or just stop. Overall i -1 this suggestion.
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I definitely understand as I've before, I'm not saying to stop fearrp and I'm not saying to encourage NOT doing so. I'm saying that I've been shut down countless times from roleplaying out my character properly and it's disheartening to hell. I want to be able to act out my character as they are without getting an earful in looc.

Some people just want us to act like robots in detention when it should be another means to RP.

I'm not asking for Fear RP to vanish, I'm asking for us to be able to continue acting our chars through their lore and personality traits without getting thrashed for it all whilst we aren't even breaking fear rp rules nor being OTT.
 
DarkEclipic said:
-1

Former hd teacher, detention isnt for messing around. If you are there, you are there to do your punishment and leave, not play around
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Yes. And I agree. But we shouldn't be discouraging people from breaking away from character lore. It's something that is consistently encourage within the server, you know?
 
Benspudgydad said:
GIANT -1

As a QP professor, all I'm saying is the following: Fearrp SHOULD be expanded. In detention, I see far too many acting up when, in reality, would you REALLY act up to get a suspension? It completely ruins roleplay and just tortures faculty. We are people as much as you are.
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With all due respect. Your adding things into it which hold no relevance. Nobody has said anything insinuating "We are people as much as you are."... We are ALL a community and we should be pushing for more leniency when it comes comes to detail, and effort. Not flushing it all down the drain. As I've said. I'm not saying fear rp must vanish, I'm saying we should be able to act out our characters properly without having to worry about people taking it looc and making a huge fuss over it.

Let's leave not shove words in people's mouths please.
 
Neutral (Leaning -1)

As a former professor, I've seen quite a lot of different ways detention is played out. Now, I do personally think FearRP is a bit abused by faculty and should be dialed down since I've seen faculty just throw out three warnings, instantly mention an SLT warning, then tell you in looc to just FearRP, and it is kind of annoying. However I've been in detention so many times and just had to deal with the fact someone would just refuse to listen until you use FearRP and it gets irritating really quickly since not everyone wants to put up with that. I think you should try to learn a way where you can FearRP as well as stay true to your character. Something like reluctant listening and mumbling to yourself/complaining the entire time while you do something can show you are FearRPing enough to listen, but you are still acting as your character. I think its really much more on faculty and how they play out FearRP more than what the basic rule about it is and it'd be nice if faculty tried to roleplay out more and try to understand other people's characters instead of just enforcing FearRP.
 
Neutral / +1

There's been so many times where I'm roleplaying as a character; who may be more disrespectful, something happens, detention ensues. I roleplay out said character as they would in detention, or even threatened by detention; and I get told to FearRP.. A lot of people need to realize not every character has the same reactions when it comes to fearing authority, or even fearing a situation. Often times, if you talk to a character like what they are; a human, and not a robot with no emotions, they will start to comply, and make the situation easier.

There are different levels of fear to all people, and it should be assumed as well with characters. Not everybody is anxious when dealing with detentions, or a threat of suspension. Different personalities have different reactions, and there's tons of different personalities within characters on SRP.

Even with dialing down how your character acts to help with proper FearRP, you will still often get told to properly FearRP. Most people expect a character to quiver and shake with fear, flight or fight is a thing, even with fear, not everybody is a flighter.

twenie1 said:
Some people just want us to act like robots in detention when it should be another means to RP.
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This is what every situation should be viewed as, it's another unique situation for you to be able to roleplay out your character, and often or not, people want you to roleplay out YOUR character how they deem fit.

Let people roleplay out their character, how they see it. Sometimes it'll be a hassle, yes, but that's also apart of many situations; even real life ones. It's what makes roleplay interactions fun, and memorable.
 
neutral [leaning toward -1]

don’t get me wrong, having your delinquent character not respect faculty and not fearrp because it’s apart of your character is fine and i kinda understand where you come from. i used to play a character who was a delinquent himself and had failed out of most schools, so why would he fearrp people that he dislikes? i understand your concern about throwing away your character’s lore because of fearrp, and personally i kinda agree with you on that. i understand the roleplay aspect and the character aspect of it completely.

however, as a professor, in my experiences. i have seen a lot in the short time being one, and it has been horrendous as a lot of people don’t fearrp any type of faculty. i am also tired of giving people warnings, even after detention has been given and SLT has been made over and over just to be told in looc that “they’re detailrping”. i understand detailrp and i myself LOVE it and i do it actively. but using it the defer the fact that someone isn’t fearrping because they’re writing a response is very iffy to be. and i understand if it was planned, but being faculty and stumbling upon something with no prior knowledge and just watching people refuse to fearrp because of detail should not be the norm on this server. it is struggling for the faculty side because lots of people don’t listen to us, even as school staff and even councilors.

now i can see both sides to this issue, and i don’t think it should be lenient, but i also don’t think we should say “please fearrp” immediately to students. fearrp should only be warned once detention is threatened, not during the 1-3 warnings you give, only after.
 
-1
As a current faculty member, I don't approve of this. As Eclipic said, you are there to do your punishment and leave. You are not supposed to act up, nor risk getting in more trouble, while actively being punished. As someone who was a delinquent in high school, or at least had enough interactions with my schools equivalent of SLT, you can bet your ass I shut up and listened when I was faced with them. The second I was out of that room with them? You know I was on my phone smack-talking the hell outta them on all of my socials and to all my friends, or if they took my side on the rare occasion, gassing them the hell up. FearRP I personally think a large aspect or lack of understanding with FearRP comes from the distinct lack of parental figures in most students lives, and for those with parents, the lack of parent involvement with student lives. Personally, I never wanted to get punished in school due to what my parents would do or say to me in response. My educational future wasn't what I valued, it was the familial consequences and being unable to see my friends that scared me.

Regardless, I do believe that detention could do with more diversity in tasks or interactive ones which is being worked on to my knowledge. However, I do not think changes to FearRP need to be instated, but rather the detention process itself, which again, is actively being worked on.

I will be adopting a stance for this post in specific that I see others utilising. I will refrain from replying to any commentary directed towards me in this thread. If further discussion is wanted, my DMs here are open
 
I've seen A LOT of feedback on this, and I'd like to first thank everybody, whether your against it or not. It doesn't matter. People have contributed and that's what matters.

HOWEVER. I have seen a lot of these critiques and seen that many people seem to believe im trying to SHUT DOWN fear-rp entirely. Which is a little odd as I've stated that fear-rp is essential, of course i recognise that. I'm merely speaking about being able to actually roleplay out our characters properly without being thrashed for it. Both ICly and OOCly. There are multiple situations where peoples characters, no matter how complicated they are, have been able to see eye-to-eye with some facaulty because they actually try to understand them in stead of throw fear-rp out recklessly. IT IS A LAST RESORT, NOT A FIRST MEANS TO SHUT DOWN ROLEPLAY! I'd like that to be considered when and if people would like to reply to this. Consider that. And if it doesn't sway your opinion on it, then don't stress. It's okay to have different inputs.
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ThatBurningFox said:
+1, as a former Councillor, brief Teacher as well as a former Delinquent RPer, more leniency with Fear RP is something I would like to see for people who actually RP it properly. I get that it's important to not be stupid and take things too far, and those that don't really RP properly should not be able to use it as a free ticket to push the limits just for the sake of pushing them, but those players should not hinder everyone else from being able to have proper in-character reactions and development in the side of being troublemakers or problem students.

I've had cases where for example my character, Kazane, was having an anger episode which was a huge part of her character at the time and I got called out for "fail RP" because she wouldn't immediately calm down the second that detention was threatened or the likes. Which is frankly ridiculous and in my opinion would be much more "fail RP" to break her character in an instant and ignore the actual reality of what a valid IC motivated outburst would be like.

Here's the thing: Characters are human and mistakes happen in reality. ...Otherwise people straight up wouldn't get suspended or expelled in reality, would they?

The trouble is finding the line; finding the point where it's "too much" for someone to be pushing things and trying to ebb as close to it as you can in my eyes. I'd rather encourage leniency and promote RP instead of enforcing an OOC rule just because you can, though. Letting people cook and just going with the flow of what they're putting down can lead to some really cool interactions, in the end as faculty, or council, your responsibility is to have a presence yes. However, conducting it in a way that's actually healthy for RP is much more crucial to me.

Detention is one of the most boring aspects of the server - and I get it's meant to be a punishment, but it's not meant to be an OOC punishment, it's an IC one for IC consequences. Let people express themselves and play their characters, otherwise what's the point of it? Again, within reason, don't let people be complete idiots or go completely out of line, at that point it's a bit too much. But less haste in going "fear rp please" in LOOC would go a long way.

You might as well stop pretending it's an IC punishment if you're shutting down RP so hard in the process of it, ya know?
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GADAMN. Fox u might as well have started the suggestion cuz u worded that so much better than I ever could of LMFAOO
 
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