More leniency on Fear-RP in Detention

[solorize]

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a lot of great points made. good in theory, but horrible in practice. like other comments stated above, some people enjoy baiting detention and trolling more than they enjoy fleshing out their characters. this would 100% be used as a loophole, not everyone can promise to stay true to their characters and be mature roleplayers. the overall rp quality for srp has to improve for this to be able to be implemented i fear.

eyvatheonly also made a reaaally good point on how this is already this is already the case. i think we just need a more solid understanding of what fearrp is. feeling emotions isn't defiance, i think your character should be able to act frustrated, even in the presence of a higher authority.

 

[Zann]

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[MaroonMacaron]

-1

 

[ThatBurningFox]

-1
As a current faculty member, I don't approve of this. As Eclipic said, you are there to do your punishment and leave. You are not supposed to act up, nor risk getting in more trouble, while actively being punished. As someone who was a delinquent in high school, or at least had enough interactions with my schools equivalent of SLT, you can bet your ass I shut up and listened when I was faced with them.

This mindset of "you're there to do your punishment and leave" is unfortunately way too strongly enforced on an OOC level rather than an IC one, which is the problem at hand mainly. Twenie words it perfectly here;

IT IS A LAST RESORT, NOT A FIRST MEANS TO SHUT DOWN ROLEPLAY!

It should be a LAST RESORT to drop "please fear RP" in LOOC, when things are going too far or people are blatantly not trying to actually roleplay properly. Not the go-to thing so you can get out of the detention room faster as a faculty member. You're there to roleplay, same as the person that broke the rules ICly - we need to stop this mentality that people have of detention being something like an OOC punishment when it should NOT be.

It comes from IC consequences. Therefore it should end with said IC consequences.

Additionally, when SLT themselves are actually in detention, 100%, I can agree with the notion of fear RP being MUCH STRONGER during those points. The rare times they showed up at detention when I was playing in Kazane, you BET her attitude completely changed in an instant - girl was NOT playing with fire when a what was, to her, flammable gas in the room.

But even then, if she was in a REALLY bad and inconsolable mood IC because of the school really screwing with her, I would have liked to have been able to have her be moody or even a little uncooperative with SLT. Reluctant to comply, but she'd still comply in the end - it'd just have tension in the room, development, roleplay, which would provide an opportunity for the school staff to engage with that and try to calm down the situation and not have it escalate as adults should be doing.

A massive shout out for this goes to StardusCrusader (I think was their user) who played Jodaro Kujo, one of the best examples of a faculty member I've seen to date because of the willingness to be lenient with the FearRP rule. There was even a time when he approached Kazane from behind for example and she was crashing out, so she outright swung blindly behind her and ended up hitting him.

Would you consider that FailRP? If yes, honestly, I think you're not looking at the characters on the server as actual human beings with volatile and unpredictable emotion, hasty reactions. People are flawed. Especially teens. They make stupid mistakes. And ICly, she wasn't aware that it was a teacher that had grabbed her from behind as she was tunnel focused on the person antagonising her. Literally anyone else doing that would have provoked the exact same result, why should I metagame it's a teacher behind me and change how she would react? Wouldn't THAT be FailRP?

Still, the point is - no other faculty at the time would have allowed that to happen, but he did - and you BET Kazane was freaking the hell out after realising what she did. She KNEW she screwed up and feared the consequences of acting on her emotions, actually knew how cooked she was and that she had crossed a line - prayed to not be suspended or expelled because of it. It was awesome and it led to what might as well have been counselling from him to get her behaviour a bit more under control because that could NOT happen again, which she totally agreed with. Whereas... If I was simply told "erm you can't do that" in LOOC the second I actioned to swing, none of that would have happened.

I get that it can take effort, I get that it can be a bit tough to play out, but when you let people actually roleplay instead of just cutting it short the very second someone isn't immediately following every command to a T? It can lead to some amazing results and let everyone walk away feeling satisfied.

tl;dr:
I am simply advocating for an ENCOURAGEMENT of roleplay between faculty and students, to be less hasty with fear RP and keeping it in mind as a last resort rather than a go-to default command at the first sign of delinquency, even in the detention room. Of course, everyone is different in what they are comfortable with allowing and how far they can go, so this is not an outright pitch to change the rules. I just would strongly push for those of you that play faculty or council or any role that has fear RP authority to let people cook a little bit first when you have the chance! It can genuinely lead to some awesome moments in RP.

...Also, it might do well to have some changes to how detention tasks actually work, because being given a minecraft book to write in for a task is not really roleplay? But, that's another suggestion entirely. Good lord.

That's all I got to add to this in any case, thank y'all for inputting your views regardless as twenie has added too. o7 I know I yap a lot.

 

[BabyDollSofie]

This mindset of "you're there to do your punishment and leave" is unfortunately way too strongly enforced on an OOC level rather than an IC one, which is the problem at hand mainly. Twenie words it perfectly here;

It should be a LAST RESORT to drop "please fear RP" in LOOC, when things are going too far or people are blatantly not trying to actually roleplay properly. Not the go-to thing so you can get out of the detention room faster as a faculty member. You're there to roleplay, same as the person that broke the rules ICly - we need to stop this mentality that people have of detention being something like an OOC punishment when it should NOT be.

It comes from IC consequences. Therefore it should end with said IC consequences.

Additionally, when SLT themselves are actually in detention, 100%, I can agree with the notion of fear RP being MUCH STRONGER during those points. The rare times they showed up at detention when I was playing in Kazane, you BET her attitude completely changed in an instant - girl was NOT playing with fire when a what was, to her, flammable gas in the room.

But even then, if she was in a REALLY bad and inconsolable mood IC because of the school really screwing with her, I would have liked to have been able to have her be moody or even a little uncooperative with SLT. Reluctant to comply, but she'd still comply in the end - it'd just have tension in the room, development, roleplay, which would provide an opportunity for the school staff to engage with that and try to calm down the situation and not have it escalate as adults should be doing.

A massive shout out for this goes to StardusCrusader (I think was their user) who played Jodaro Kujo, one of the best examples of a faculty member I've seen to date because of the willingness to be lenient with the FearRP rule. There was even a time when he approached Kazane from behind for example and she was crashing out, so she outright swung blindly behind her and ended up hitting him.

Would you consider that FailRP? If yes, honestly, I think you're not looking at the characters on the server as actual human beings with volatile and unpredictable emotion, hasty reactions. People are flawed. Especially teens. They make stupid mistakes. And ICly, she wasn't aware that it was a teacher that had grabbed her from behind as she was tunnel focused on the person antagonising her. Literally anyone else doing that would have provoked the exact same result, why should I metagame it's a teacher behind me and change how she would react? Wouldn't THAT be FailRP?

Still, the point is - no other faculty at the time would have allowed that to happen, but he did - and you BET Kazane was freaking the hell out after realising what she did. She KNEW she screwed up and feared the consequences of acting on her emotions, actually knew how cooked she was and that she had crossed a line - prayed to not be suspended or expelled because of it. It was awesome and it led to what might as well have been counselling from him to get her behaviour a bit more under control because that could NOT happen again, which she totally agreed with. Whereas... If I was simply told "erm you can't do that" in LOOC the second I actioned to swing, none of that would have happened.

I get that it can take effort, I get that it can be a bit tough to play out, but when you let people actually roleplay instead of just cutting it short the very second someone isn't immediately following every command to a T? It can lead to some amazing results and let everyone walk away feeling satisfied.

tl;dr:
I am simply advocating for an ENCOURAGEMENT of roleplay between faculty and students, to be less hasty with fear RP and keeping it in mind as a last resort rather than a go-to default command at the first sign of delinquency, even in the detention room. Of course, everyone is different in what they are comfortable with allowing and how far they can go, so this is not an outright pitch to change the rules. I just would strongly push for those of you that play faculty or council or any role that has fear RP authority to let people cook a little bit first when you have the chance! It can genuinely lead to some awesome moments in RP.

...Also, it might do well to have some changes to how detention tasks actually work, because being given a minecraft book to write in for a task is not really roleplay? But, that's another suggestion entirely. Good lord.

That's all I got to add to this in any case, thank y'all for inputting your views regardless as twenie has added too. o7 I know I yap a lot.

Beautifully said!

 

[temulaptop]

This mindset of "you're there to do your punishment and leave" is unfortunately way too strongly enforced on an OOC level rather than an IC one, which is the problem at hand mainly. Twenie words it perfectly here;

100% agree here.

Your job as faculty is not to shut down roleplay as much as possible for the sake of FearRP. You shouldn't HAVE to tell people to FearRP because there should be a basic understanding of what FearRP is and when it's needed to be enforced vs. giving students a chance to RP out their characters. You're more than welcome to make a strict teacher/faculty character, but not at the cost of other's roleplay. It should never have be taken OOCLY to tell others to FearRP (and yes, I understand there are times you have to do so) and it should always remain an IC thing.

It should be a LAST RESORT to drop "please fear RP" in LOOC, when things are going too far or people are blatantly not trying to actually roleplay properly. Not the go-to thing so you can get out of the detention room faster as a faculty member. You're there to roleplay, same as the person that broke the rules ICly - we need to stop this mentality that people have of detention being something like an OOC punishment when it should NOT be.

+11111 on this.
As ex-faculty from a couple yrs ago, an issue I STILL see prevalent today is the use of FearRP during school. Other factions deal with arguably worse behavior yet FearRP is less of an issue of being misused and/or failed to be roleplayed out. Obviously there are times others have to remind each other to FearRP, but I've never seen it worse than in the school faction. Sports faction DO need to work on FearRP but so does the Faculty side. One side hates doing it the other side uses it like it's an everyday tool to spam at people who want to play a delinquent or even a character who doesn't want to follow a rule.

I ask faculty now to turn your attention to this request: Please allow your students to actually roleplay out being against your character. Let them play their character as meant to be (as much as it's not outrageous) before we instantly jump to detention etc. This isn't just for the sake of Sports faction but for the sake of the delinquent side of roleplayers and even gangrp characters. We all would like to play our characters how we'd like to in the range of being reasonable, but I've noticed an influx in "You need to do what I say because you have to fear me." instead of actually roleplaying out the consequences of their actions. I get from faculty POV it does get stressful, believe me I KNOW. But, it's not an excuse to resort to the immediate fearrp option either.

In my opinion, I don't believe FearRP rules need to be changed, I think they need to be roleplayed out lighter and offer more RP opportunities. As ThatBurningFox said, it shouldn't be the mindset of "you're there to do your punishment and leave" on an OOC level. That's extremely boring & it shouldn't be an OOC thing. ICLY sure, but get RP out of it! I know I was bored sitting there waiting for students to finish their tasks just for them to leave. I craved drama and it was fun to let them do their thing until my character finally put their foot down to stop it. #GiveMoreRP!

quick little edit: also plz be kind to faculty too guyz their job is also REALLY stressful when they get tons of students piling onto them. play it fair and give chances for them to roleplay out their characters as well!!

 

[findouticly]

+1

Realistically, there are delinquents in school who will just not care about the consequences, but SRP is not all about realism. Sometimes FearRP just has to be forced, because if it was not forced, the school faculty would have it difficult to do any sorts of roleplay.

I, as a Caretaker, dont force FearRP onto students if they detail and their quality of roleplay is good, or if they clearly are trying to roleplay out their character, and if they do, I will try my best to go along with them and make an interesting roleplay scenario. Tho if a player is clearly trying to annoy a faculty member or their quality of roleplay is really bad, I will force them to FearRP.

 

[BabyDollSofie]

To add on my few comments of these posts, I 100% agree with this suggestion/take due to the fact that teachers/SLT DO infact abuse the use of telling people to FearRP, which can more often than not, force players to act out of character with the role they are playing. Which I don't know about yall, but that would put the fun out of delinquency, being FORCED to FearRP the smallest things, sure FearRP is essential in rp, but so is letting people act out their character's personalities! So in all. +1 If used correctly!

 

[KimiNoUso]

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Thank you for your suggestion!

- Faculty Leads are already working with faction members to improve their outlook and use of FearRP.​