What's your Minecraft Username?: WhiteSnowy1737
What's the title of your suggestion?: Change the language application rule

What's your suggestion?:
Well, it's something many who will read it don't even know, but the rules state that if your character was born outside of Japan, you have to specify how they learned Japanese in an application for language X. Now, why? This doesn't make sense. And what's the point? I can't use Portuguese, for example, because I didn't specify how my character learned Japanese? What logic is this? If I didn't specify that my character never learned Japanese, then they never learned Italian? Others may comment "-1, but many accept it even without mentioning this", and that's the point. Other mods who are informed may deny it because of a rule that many people don't even know that exists, and I don't even know why it even exists. Why doesn't just keep my character's motivation to moveto Karakura and learn the language for their biography or others applications? But this thing about the language, sorry, but it doesn't make sense.

This is a direct request to Kimi. After all, most of the times I've applied for the language, I've never needed to specify how my character learned Japanese. Many mods and admins responsible for this already accept it simply by stating that the character knows the language. And many say it's essential. If that were the case, I would create a complete biography for my character and say so. There you go! The reason is in the character's biography. Other people I talked to said they never needed to include it either. So why does this rule exist? Just to make life harder? It's illogical for my character to not know the language of his home country because he never learned Japanese.

At least make it more flexible. Like it's not mandatory, but it would be nice. Many staffs already accept without having to put how my char learnt Japanese. I didnt know that rule existed. Im talking serious.

How will this benefit the server and community?:
Avoid frustrations like mine, I'm still trying to swallow the fact that this rule exists. Changing it, makes it at least have the profile of how the character learned the language, that's enough, many mods does this.

-1 I don't think that this poses an issue for a consensus of the player base, I could be wrong but the character would logically need to learn Japanese to move to Karakura - or at least speak minimal Japanese that they can develop over time. It would also make sense as why would you entirely move to a different country if you couldn't even say or read somewhat of the language to attend school or live there? So that is a negative vote for me.

SigmaHater said:

-1 I don't think that this poses an issue for a consensus of the player base, I could be wrong but the character would logically need to learn Japanese to move to Karakura - or at leasr speak minimal Japanese that they can develop over time. It would also make sense as why would you entirely move to a different country if you couldn't even say or read somewhat of the language to attend school or live there? So that is a negative vote for me.

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So makes sense you cannot use your char home language cause i didnt specify how my char learnt japanese?

Im applying for a language x, not japanese

SigmaHater said:

-1 I don't think that this poses an issue for a consensus of the player base, I could be wrong but the character would logically need to learn Japanese to move to Karakura - or at leasr speak minimal Japanese that they can develop over time. It would also make sense as why would you entirely move to a different country if you couldn't even say or read somewhat of the language to attend school or live there? So that is a negative vote for me.

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You see i put. “Let it for character bio, or something else”

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seems unecesarry

Kayla1511 said:

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seems unecesarry

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It seems until u get an language application denied for this

From what I know about the Language Applications, they want to explain how you learnt the new language. I remember asking someone (forgot who it was, but thank you for helping me) on how to make these applications better, and 9 out of 10 is going to be talking about your 'character's struggle.' If your character was born elsewhere, there is not much of a struggle, per se, because you were born there, so that's why I could see this rule taking place.

What confuses me about your situation in particular is that I've never noticed this 'rule' before, not because I didn't read the rules, but because this is NOT a rule. This is stated in 'additional information', which technically doesn't give them ground to deny an application because... You didn't break any rules. Putting this in additional information makes this 'rule' sound more like a recommendation. I suggest that the people in charge of forums move this to the actual rule section if they intend to provide grounds for denial. Otherwise, I don't see much sense in it.

WhiteSnowy1737 said:

So makes sense you cannot use your char home language cause i didnt specify how my char learnt japanese?

Im applying for a language x, not japanese

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Well in the application, it would just be largely assumed that you specify how the character moved to Karakura and how they adapted to the change - even if it's only a small amount of speech that was learnt along the way. If you are applying for Language X, it wouldn't be much of a difficulty to the application. then just to say on the application "The character learnt the language by just being born there" So that is why I believe that the "rule" is specified to allow for players to adapt the application to explain how they came to Karakura and the difficulties challenged for the character so it allows players to effectively write more into it, even explore into it.

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You need to talk about learning Japanese because you have to provide a backstory. It's a simple rule that makes plenty of sense.
Language apps are checked all the time nowadays so if you need the Language desperately then just try again.

Neutral?

In all my time applying for languages I have never had to state anything related to how they learned Japanese. However, I do give a little insight into their backstory, the struggles they had with the applied language, how they learned to overcome the struggles, how they will use the language in Karakura & how it will help me accurately roleplay.

Following this format has seemed to not cause any issues regardless of if I state anything about Japanese at all. It's a loose rule already and if you give enough insight into the language you're trying for, you will most certainly get it with ease.

I do think if its causing issues with clarity among authorization staff, perhaps there should be a brief on what they'd like to do with it to keep it consistent, but other than that I don't see it as the largest problem that couldn't be fixed with some rewording and trying again. If you need to, include the Japanese part. It most likely wouldn't have to be fleshed out in detail because it is not the language you are applying for. Again, I've never had to include Japanese when I do my formatting method saur.

Overall, unsure how to feel about this but if it is a large problem I do think it isn't a necessary rule as long as the person provides some backstory for the applied language (because maybe its a character that DOESNT know Japanese and only knows Russian for example).

Miamorchito said:

From what I know about the Language Applications, they want to explain how you learnt the new language. I remember asking someone (forgot who it was, but thank you for helping me) on how to make these applications better, and 9 out of 10 is going to be talking about your 'character's struggle.' If your character was born elsewhere, there is not much of a struggle, per se, because you were born there, so that's why I could see this rule taking place.

What confuses me about your situation in particular is that I've never noticed this 'rule' before, not because I didn't read the rules, but because this is NOT a rule. This is stated in 'additional information', which technically doesn't give them ground to deny an application because... You didn't break any rules. Putting this in additional information makes this 'rule' sound more like a recommendation. I suggest that the people in charge of forums move this to the actual rule section if they intend to provide grounds for denial. Otherwise, I don't see much sense in it.

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THATS THE REASON. IN FACT THAT EXISTS I NEVER NOTICIED TOO

CuddlyPandaLove said:

Neutral?

In all my time applying for languages I have never had to state anything related to how they learned Japanese. However, I do give a little insight into their backstory, the struggles they had with the applied language, how they learned to overcome the struggles, how they will use the language in Karakura & how it will help me accurately roleplay.

Following this format has seemed to not cause any issues regardless of if I state anything about Japanese at all. It's a loose rule already and if you give enough insight into the language you're trying for, you will most certainly get it with ease.

I do think if its causing issues with clarity among authorization staff, perhaps there should be a brief on what they'd like to do with it to keep it consistent, but other than that I don't see it as the largest problem that couldn't be fixed with some rewording and trying again. If you need to, include the Japanese part. It most likely wouldn't have to be fleshed out in detail because it is not the language you are applying for. Again, I've never had to include Japanese when I do my formatting method saur.

Overall, unsure how to feel about this but if it is a large problem I do think it isn't a necessary rule as long as the person provides some backstory for the applied language (because maybe its a character that DOESNT know Japanese and only knows Russian for example).

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Exactly. I never had too. Until yesterday i got denied for that. And made me really mad

SigmaHater said:

Well in the application, it would just be largely assumed that you specify how the character moved to Karakura and how they adapted to the change - even if it's only a small amount of speech that was learnt along the way. If you are applying for Language X, it wouldn't be much of a difficulty to the application. then just to say on the application "The character learnt the language by just being born there" So that is why I believe that the "rule" is specified to allow for players to adapt the application to explain how they came to Karakura and the difficulties challenged for the character so it allows players to effectively write more into it, even explore into it.

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Oh really? The “rule” says you have to detail both. And as others saying, never had to put, makes this rules useless. Cause others mods that tries follow will deny you. For me doesnt make sense. Im applying for PORTUGUESE not japanese

urufu said:

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You need to talk about learning Japanese because you have to provide a backstory. It's a simple rule that makes plenty of sense.
Language apps are checked all the time nowadays so if you need the Language desperately then just try again.

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Oh really? So makes sense you char that cannot speak they main language, cause doesnt specify how learnt japanese? I put that on suggestion. Doesnt makes sense. And others saying, never had to put, makes it even useless

Miamorchito said:

From what I know about the Language Applications, they want to explain how you learnt the new language. I remember asking someone (forgot who it was, but thank you for helping me) on how to make these applications better, and 9 out of 10 is going to be talking about your 'character's struggle.' If your character was born elsewhere, there is not much of a struggle, per se, because you were born there, so that's why I could see this rule taking place.

What confuses me about your situation in particular is that I've never noticed this 'rule' before, not because I didn't read the rules, but because this is NOT a rule. This is stated in 'additional information', which technically doesn't give them ground to deny an application because... You didn't break any rules. Putting this in additional information makes this 'rule' sound more like a recommendation. I suggest that the people in charge of forums move this to the actual rule section if they intend to provide grounds for denial. Otherwise, I don't see much sense in it.

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I can show you i got denied for that

WhiteSnowy1737 said:

Oh really? The “rule” says you have to detail both. And as others saying, never had to put, makes this rules useless. Cause others mods that tries follow will deny you. For me doesnt make sense. Im applying for PORTUGUESE not japanese

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For the record, if you have an IC method of learning the language then you only have to list that one. For example, I've RPed out learning Korean. So in my Korean application I only mentioned how Mikasa taught Charlotte the language.
For languages that you have not RPed out learning, you have to mention Japanese because you have to provide a story. How does your character do it? It's really really easy. Just have more than a couple of sentences. "Fuyumi learned Korean from her parents... <explain how that happened (i,e library, tutors, etc), then learned Japanese to move to Karakura. <Explain how that happened (i.e language learning applications, extra classes, tutorship, etc>." It's genuinely easy I promise

urufu said:

For the record, if you have an IC method of learning the language then you only have to list that one. For example, I've RPed out learning Korean. So in my Korean application I only mentioned how Mikasa taught Charlotte the language.
For languages that you have not RPed out learning, you have to mention Japanese because you have to provide a story. How does your character do it? It's really really easy. Just have more than a couple of sentences. "Fuyumi learned Korean from her parents... <explain how that happened (i,e library, tutors, etc), then learned Japanese to move to Karakura. <Explain how that happened (i.e language learning applications, extra classes, tutorship, etc>." It's genuinely easy I promise

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Many people hadn't even to put Japanese, me too, but how yesterday i got denied, it pissed me off

-1 no lol.

being able to get a language with an app that looks like "my character is from x place so they speak y language". is never a good idea.

"japanese" is by far the easiest language to apply for, your char literally has the motive to learn/know it already- they are on a damn japanese island.. if you cannot reason why they should know japanese, maybe you shouldn't apply for a language to begin with.

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