__SnowStorm
Level 17
The issue is the litebans api being annoying asf to work with (LiteBans is the plugin RPH and almost every reasonable server uses for punishments)
And switching plugins would mean an unban-all (Yikes!)
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Punishment Improvement
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And switching plugins would mean an unban-all (Yikes!)
They could just write in the ban/warning reason exactly what it says in this screenshot
__SnowStorm
Level 17
so you're actually suggesting something like
** Rule 0 - Said "blah blah blah" in chat rudely! (Mod notes: [the user's message was received as offensive to players])
YES LOL! I must've explained it all wrong, thank you so much for explaining this
__SnowStorm
Level 17
maybe you explained it right, I'm rlly tired
girl me too, it's been a day
__SnowStorm
Level 17
I agree that staff should format their reasons like this (Ignore the message ID stuff)
Something where it says the: Rule No, The description of the rule they broke, An imgur link for proof if the mod feels like it (Optional), (What they did and how it breaks the rules)
Exactly!!!
__SnowStorm
Level 17
Rios you smell
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I understand and agree with your point of view. Some people believe that not disclosing specific information is to protect victims. So I would like to ask you, does this rule infringe on the rights of the accused?
Even if a person is tried, he should be informed of why he is being tried. You cannot force a person to confess unconditionally and accept punishment.
If a person is convicted without sufficient, public evidence, this is a serious violation of human rights and a fundamental violation of the "Presumption of innocence".
You claim that this is to protect victims from further harassment, but as long as they are willing to find, harassers will always find victims in some way. Why don't we make it public to prove the authority of the rule and fair and open trials?
I understand and agree with your point of view. Some people believe that not disclosing specific information is to protect victims. So I would like to ask you, does this rule infringe on the rights of the accused?
Even if a person is tried, he should be informed of why he is being tried. You cannot force a person to confess unconditionally and accept punishment.
If a person is convicted without sufficient, public evidence, this is a serious violation of human rights and a fundamental violation of the "Presumption of innocence".
You claim that this is to protect victims from further harassment, but as long as they are willing to find, harassers will always find victims in some way. Why don't we make it public to prove the authority of the rule and fair and open trials?
BowSpammed
Level 51
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Last I checked, SchoolRP doesn't fall under the United State's legal system. I am not sure why we are quoting this for something much lighter than a conviction. If anything, administration just wants to keep all the drama of, publicising evidence and therefore exposing the reporter's identity, out of the way. We have seen a lot of instances where staff members or even normal players got doxxed for these occurrences. It's not unlikely for these to happen now.
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I hear what this suggestion is trying to say. I believe when given out warnings staff should at least give a brief explanation on why the warning was given within the warn description. I completely understand that staff don’t hand out information that can reveal who the reporter was of the situation and that can lead to issues such as harassing the reporter from the person who got warned. However, I believe those who do get warned have a right to know what they did wrong. Simply stating “OOC Toxicity” or whatever one got warned for doesn’t fully explain what it was. Instead like the examples of what user SnowStorm showed could work. Doesn’t have to exactly copy that but a better warning system that will help players see what they did wrong and understand it. Staff are already busy enough and so having people go into their DMs asking why they got warned brings more things on their plate on top of whatever they’re doing. If a better system was in place it’d keep staff members from getting DMs asking why they were warned and it’d most likely keep them from being even more stressed than they already are. And overall it’d help players understand what they did wrong and learn from their mistakes to not do it again if a clearer and better warning system were in place.
I hear what this suggestion is trying to say. I believe when given out warnings staff should at least give a brief explanation on why the warning was given within the warn description. I completely understand that staff don’t hand out information that can reveal who the reporter was of the situation and that can lead to issues such as harassing the reporter from the person who got warned. However, I believe those who do get warned have a right to know what they did wrong. Simply stating “OOC Toxicity” or whatever one got warned for doesn’t fully explain what it was. Instead like the examples of what user SnowStorm showed could work. Doesn’t have to exactly copy that but a better warning system that will help players see what they did wrong and understand it. Staff are already busy enough and so having people go into their DMs asking why they got warned brings more things on their plate on top of whatever they’re doing. If a better system was in place it’d keep staff members from getting DMs asking why they were warned and it’d most likely keep them from being even more stressed than they already are. And overall it’d help players understand what they did wrong and learn from their mistakes to not do it again if a clearer and better warning system were in place.
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I'm mostly against this suggestion and think it's a poor idea and will massively discourage players from reporting serious rule breaking. When a player is warned, it's typically put into one of several categories, e.g. OOC Toxicity, Spamming, etc. Which when thinking back to your previous actions you're typically able to deduce what happened and why you were warned, however in other cases you are not able to figure out why you were warned, and you simply just make a ticket asking "Hello, I was warned for x could I know why?" and then depending on the situation you'll either be given further information or told that we cannot disclose it. Should you feel that a warn was given wrongly and have no recollection of doing any wrongdoing then that is what our Staff Report system is for.
TLDR; We have systems in place to handle warning verification internally through staff reports, make a report if you feel you've been wrongly punished.
I'm mostly against this suggestion and think it's a poor idea and will massively discourage players from reporting serious rule breaking. When a player is warned, it's typically put into one of several categories, e.g. OOC Toxicity, Spamming, etc. Which when thinking back to your previous actions you're typically able to deduce what happened and why you were warned, however in other cases you are not able to figure out why you were warned, and you simply just make a ticket asking "Hello, I was warned for x could I know why?" and then depending on the situation you'll either be given further information or told that we cannot disclose it. Should you feel that a warn was given wrongly and have no recollection of doing any wrongdoing then that is what our Staff Report system is for.
TLDR; We have systems in place to handle warning verification internally through staff reports, make a report if you feel you've been wrongly punished.
Denied
Thank you for your suggestion! After discussing this with the team we have decided to decline it.
Thank you for your suggestion! After discussing this with the team we have decided to decline it.
- As we've said previously, we do not share evidence to protect any reporter identities.
- If you wish to find out a ban reason, you can always appeal. 9 times out of 10, most people already know why they're banned.
- If you wish to have a confirmation on your ban e.g. you have a question like "Is my ban false?" "I want to see evidence", you can make a Staff Report using your Ban ID and a Senior Admin will look into the evidence and confirm whether or not your ban will stay and provide a little further insight without revealing key/protected information.