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ilovemyplane

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What's your Minecraft Username?: ilovemyplanex2
What's the title of your suggestion?: Server Whitelist

What's your suggestion?:
My suggestion is quite literally what it sounds like: a server whitelist.




A General Explanation.

I have been playing on the server for two or so years and I know that the previously beloved FantasyRP on the general Roleplay Hub had a whitelist to limit who got in. This would require a player to explain their character, the character's lore, as well as OOC things that would make so those approving whitelists made sure the player was mature enough to do so. Sure, FantasyRP was eventually closed because of their varying reasons but SchoolRP remains our current and main server that everyone gets on. Which, without a whitelist, can include younger children who may not be suited to see some of the content discussed within the server (such as large-scale crime, in-city political tensions, alcoholism, and other mature topics). These players are more sensitive to certain information in turn and may not be suited for dealing with such topics on this server.

While having it public is a good thing to get players easier, this can come with huge risks towards the individuals mentioned in regard to those topics. This is why I believe that introducing a whitelist may handle this properly and still retain the players that can handle such themes in the server.

How will this benefit the server and community?:

Community Safety.



There are two people that I need to discuss within this part: the younger audience we have on the server and bypassers.


First, let's start off easy. The younger audience (13 or below) often come onto the server expecting a sort of normal school-oriented roleplay - which is self-explanatory as it is called School Roleplay. However, we all know how SRP can be and some of the topics mentioned - which include what I have listed alongside other things - aren’t appropriate for children to actually see. These young people may be exposed to those topics that they do not want to deal with, nor do they have the maturity to properly handle. That may be something that they do not understand right and think that it is 'normal' or should be something they get involved with (such as the criminal side of the server). A good few younger players may be able to avoid such problems, but that does not mean all of them will be able to. This is not me saying all children will think so, but it is a general example.


Moving on with that in mind, there are adults (such as myself) on this server that will need to provide a good influence for those younger than ourselves. Younger players may not be well off with certain things that the older player base discuss or do within roleplay. The whitelist I am proposing makes sure that our younger audience has a minimum (roughly 13-14 years old, maybe older depending on how we would see fit), much like how our staff has an age requirement at minimum to make sure the person is mature enough to handle such a position. This would also apply for newer players, ensuring that they are able to handle what is discussed.


Now, with bypassers. These are a huge problem within SRP as a whole and I believe that this whitelist would also prevent players that are meant to be punished off of the server. That is, after all, what a ban is for. They would need to go through an application process - which, assuming that there was a check done, they would get denied thanks to their ban. These players are kept off of the server and are meant to learn from their punishment instead of bypassing it, which keeps those who are in the community within an enjoyable environment instead of dealing with others who may cause issues for those involved that simply want a good time on the server.


Focus and Engagement.


Focus and engagement are a huge thing for any server that wants to be able to keep those who they keep in their community there. Oftentimes, that can be downgraded by the lack of interest or even attention to certain things like lore that, as we know, needs to be paid attention to. Some younger individuals may not be able to grasp that, or even be able to sit through everything and make sure it’s accurate, which can lead to issues with their own roleplay and whatever else. This is not saying that our younger audience simply can’t grasp the idea of accuracy in roleplay, it’s just saying that - with some of the stuff mentioned - it may not be able to be taken seriously. This can range from how individuals portray mental illnesses and disorders, physical disabilities, their character as a whole, and many other things. A well written character often keeps people involved and engaged with the story, whilst a not as well written one may drive them away - while they can be improved, this doesn’t mean they may listen.


Community Introduction.


Now, what I have been saying may have sounded like criticism - which, in a way, it was - but I have a proper idea if we do not want the entire Roleplay Hub server closed off from publicity. We could, instead of blocking off the younger audience from everything, allow them to use our Creative and MazeRP servers in order to engage with the community instead of jumping straight into SRP given some of the topics discussed. That way, they can decide how they feel about those that they may be engaging with - as well as their overall interest in the server - and, when they’re ready, try to get a whitelist for SRP. Of course, that would not be something you’d need to pay for, but instead something you’d just apply for. This gives younger and newer players enough time to properly work out what they want to, while also making sure that they can still interact with the community in some way. This can be through reading stuff on the forums, talking to people that are more active and involved, or even just observing what happens from a third-party perspective.

The EULA As a Whole.

Since this has also been something that sort of ties into the whitelist - and I’ve heard plenty of concerns about it - let’s discuss this as well.

The EULA is something that everyone agrees to, especially server owners, and have to go by because of their agreement to it. It’s a huge thing in most, if not all, communities I’ve seen involved in MCRP and it is something that needs to be worked around for some of our storytelling to genuinely make sense. SRP has had its fair share of lore and even money spent on items that the EULA does not agree with, which - as of today - has either been voided, ignored, or removed altogether as to avoid conflicts. This is not saying we should loophole the EULA, but there should be some way to give back what has been taken in a way, if that makes any sense.

SRP does want creative freedom implemented, but that is hard to do when items that are important to their stories, backstories, and even entire storylines are removed or abandoned just to avoid legal conflict. This is in no way suggesting we should break the rules given, of course, but there should be something that could allow staff and the corresponding teams to view what someone wants to have added - which could, of course, be involved in the backstory. Some things, like a custom item, shouldn’t be applied for because that’s a player’s money and I do understand that, but anything else that remains within the EULA rules could be applied for with a whitelist.
For the items and backstories that have been affected, these could be revised to better fit the EULA and respect that it’s, in fact, something that affects anyone who wishes to play the server regardless. This process can be determined by staff, of course, and this is intended to make sure that things are appropriate for the server as a whole. It could be considered as its own whitelist, but there would need to be proof of either thing in order to properly change it.

Ending Notes.

Now this whitelist will not extend to already active players, unless they seem immature or can’t grasp certain things right (and depending on how staff views such). And, once again, the age minimum (in my ideal scenario regarding this server, assuming whitelist was gone through with) will be at least 13. I do accept any sort of critique regarding this, but I figured I should get my thoughts across.
 
NEUTRAL.

I think it comes without saying that new people are the number one reason why SRP is as big as it is. Forcing them to go through an application process would significantly hinder this process, and I know many people who have only gotten as far as they have in SRP because they joined to, initially, troll and/or mess around.

This, however, heavily extinguishes hackers/people (in no offense) shouldn't be playing the server, and I do somewhat like that aspect.
 
NEUTRAL.

I think it comes without saying that new people are the number one reason why SRP is as big as it is. Forcing them to go through an application process would significantly hinder this process, and I know many people who have only gotten as far as they have in SRP because they joined to, initially, troll and/or mess around.

This, however, heavily extinguishes hackers/people (in no offense) shouldn't be playing the server, and I do somewhat like that aspect.
clock that tea jonajere4
 
This, however, heavily extinguishes hackers/people (in no offense) shouldn't be playing the server, and I do somewhat like that aspect.
This is mainly what I'm concerned about, yes!!! As I did state in the suggestion.
I do understand where you're coming from with the fact that it's a huge reason why the server's as large as it is, though. It will definitely hinder the process but at least the people who are willing to put in some work can be able to get in easier as compared to someone who may not be willing to
 
I have been playing on this server since late 2021, minus 1 year when I had quit, though I have had a lot of experience and I have lots to say about this. I want to give my thoughts on this because this suggestion is not something random or small, and it definitely needs to be discussed. I want to give my thoughts on each part of this.

To start off, I want to talk about FRP. Although I did not spend enough time on FRP to know a lot about it since I was still a fairly new player, I do remember going through the application and I had to say even if there was a whitelist for it, I like to think that it worked out. Yes the playerbase of SRP wasn't as big as SRP's but it still worked out.

Moving on to a whitelist for SRP, I think it could also work out if maintained well. But I will say why in my final conclusion after I've gone through my explanations.

My thoughts on the community safety part
The playerbase of SRP varies in ages. When new players that fall in the younger audience join the server, will probably think that they are joining a 'friendly' school roleplay server. Although this is exactly what it is, I would definitely say that SRP is not exactly a "kid friendly" place. People often use vulgar language, and certain roleplays, such as getting into conflicts or RomanceRP are definitely not suitable for ages under 13 and they shouldn't be exposed to such things, for a very obvious reason. Because they are kids. Yes, new players that are "old" can definitely handle such situations, because I assume they understand that it's roleplay therefore fiction. The criminal side of the server is also something that the younger audience should not be exposed to.
Bypassers are another problem. I know people who have bypassed before, some I know they even have done that 2-3 times, though they are long gone. I can't really explain this one because I'll never understand why someone would spend money on new accounts and whatever else to literally play on a minecraft server. I assume these people SHOULD be adults since they can pay money for things like that over and over again, so an adult who can't understand what they did was wrong and can't accept the fact that they were banned for a reason, yeah I will not be wasting my time on explaining that as much.

A whitelist to prevent kids under the age of 13 and bypassers could definitely help. We can protect kids so they don't get exposed to such content and the bypassers could be handled properly if done right. The staff have lives and can't be on the server 24/7 to keep track on who is who and how old they are, unfortunately.

But to all of this there's a downside, or a few actually.
To start off, kids can lie about their age, and until their age gets revealed so their whitelist can get removed, it might already be too late and the damage has been done. Bypassers can definitely also lie about WHO they are, and until someone figured out who they are, months could've passed until they get banned again. The staff have lives yes, but could they also really tell if an applicant is younger than 13 or a bypasser? From my own personal experience with bypassers, all I could tell that they were one, it was because of either their minecraft and discord accounts were made recently, if they were a tailor and have a similar shading style, or if they are REALLY good at something, ex. a sport and they are new to the server. While for these two matters, a whitelist could definitely help and make the server a better place, it would also be a disaster and more work if not done properly. But I do have a small solution for this if the whitelist would be implemented! Players who actually care about this server and want it to make a better place, if they figure out someone is younger than 13 or a bypasser could simply report it to staff, then the staff do their job. It's very simple and easy. Is it not? You just need a few screenshots, evidence and stuff, and you just bump a staff's DMs.

My thoughts on focus and engagement but also Community Introduction.
As jonajere4 said, the new players are a reason why SRP is big now and I get that. As you said, some people of the younger audience may not be able to roleplay with 'accuracy' and not take it seriously. I am not a part of that audience but I honestly don't roleplay as much anymore, when I was younger I roleplayed a lot more. I don't know if it's either because I'm older now and I'm tired of this server or because there's not a lot of people that actually take roleplay seriously in all aspects and factions but that's for me to figure out.
MazeRP is a server that is practically dead. I honestly doubt it's ever going to be alive again, it was fun at first, I played it a lot when it first came out, but it's like a video game everyone forgot about even if it's still there. It was active the first 2-3 months then it just died out. Letting new players join MazeRP and get a taste of how roleplay is like and getting used to it could definitely help SRP's engagement and such before they join SRP would be a good thing for the engagement. Why? Because I honestly think that SRP could be whitelist worthy anyways, and players that have had a bit of experience in roleplay could definitely make SRP better in a way. If I was a new player, joined MazeRP then one day out of curiosity I apply for SRP I would definitely be amazed. Though this can't work out now. MazeRP does not have even a small community. It's dead. If we wanted people to create a community so new players can join, MazeRP should be advertised so people that are INTERESTED in something like Mazes and stuff can join and play, and to make an addition people who play SRP and enjoy MazeRP or used to, can play it every once in a while.
Yet in my opinion I don't think there's TONS of people that like mazes and all that.. but where am I going with this? What is something that people really adored, and I'm SURE would go back to, and that would also get new player's attention? Yes, FRP. Now, FRP was also whitelisted, so that is why I'm 50/50 on this, and I don't know a lot about it's downfall so I'm gonna leave this here, but I hope you guys see my vision.. I think there's a lot more people on the internet that enjoy fantasy than mazes (Including myself, not biased.)
So for engagement, a whitelist for SRP could be a good thing, since if there people that apply already have a bit of taste of what it's like to roleplay, I'm certain that roleplay could become better in all aspects, including it being more fun. Also, players in communities tend to share stuff, so if someone shared that SRP is actually a fun place then more players would join which equals to more engagement!<3


My thoughts on the EULA part
I don't have anything else to add, I just agree.

CONCLUSION.
I am going for a +1. Although to some a whitelist might seem pointless or if it's a chore to apply, I think it could help this server a lot. Yes guys, okay, it's a bit of work to apply for a server you already play in. What could be done is if the 'whitelist' were to be a thing there could be, let's say an announcement that goes like "In a month we'll make the server whitelisted! You can pre-apply!" or something. I mean 30 days is a lot of time, that way people can still do their quota etc. in whatever faction their in, or practice if they are in a team etc. so they wouldn't INSTANTLY get locked out of the server.
Also, I just think if the staff and players worked together, and the staff don't do everything themselves, and the community helps - so if there's TEAMWORK, then I'm certain it could work out.. I don't think a whitelist is going to entirely help with the bypasser problem or kids who are under the age of 13 so they can be protected from malice, but it's definitely going to do it's work. If there was a whitelist for SRP, I think either advertising MazeRP more or bringing back FRP or another form of it, could definitely lead to more engagement and well, more players in general.

ps I think MazeRP is a failed project, so im more into bringing back FRP as there's people here that would SURELY 100% go back to it and it would DEFINITELY attract new AND old players. (not biased, i know a lot of people who miss frp ok.)
Also sorry if this is bad ok guys its like 3am ok yeah.
 
-1
As one with.. 3 accounts and the intent to get more, having to fill something out for each one is gonna suck. Plus SRP is meant to be inclusive, not force ppl to apply to play in my eyes
 
-1 I play on a fantasy whitelist server (and have played on multiple, more specifically FantasyRP and a 4 letter one I cannot say lest I be banned for 'advertising') and SRP simply has not catered or attempted to create a roleplay experience requiring a whitelist. A lot would have to change for this to happen nonetheless.

Whitelists for fantasy servers (and other servers in general) work because you are able to obtain things such as magic, generally have no "permissions" on people (only motive), options between PK and temporary deaths, no weapon restrictions, a tight knit community, etc. This all prioritizes things like DetailRP and actual meaningful roleplay and character development and much more long drawn out roleplay sometimes referred to as "detailrp" on this server. The reality is that the issue is serious RP topics has for a very long time been outright banned/extremely prohibited because some people (whom might I add are the minority of the player base) are too sensitive or just flat out unable to handle these issues being depicted in a serious manner. Instead, many of these whitelisted servers prioritize moderating problem roleplayers and will often flat out ban you for being a poor-quality role-player, no other reason needed. This is honestly something I wish was done more, especially if they want to cater towards a more mature 13+ audience as you mention.

I think this would be a better suggestion if it was focusing primarily on letting more serious forms of RP return to the server (which have been banned). Not a flat out whitelist.
 
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as much as I understand where this point comes from, I really see this causing issues with the servers growth. It's very not new player friendly. I hate hackers and weird newbies as much as the next person, but i dont know how this advertisement of a whitelist would go.

Would the /vote websites allow a link to it through the forums? If so, then maybe. But it cant be through discord, either, because discord is banned in places where a large chunk of server members are from. And potential new members, as well.

I just dont see it being well advertised and I think that it would limit the server. I introduce new people all the time and I doubt they'd enjoy waiting days to weeks to be able to join.

And a playtime of over 5 weeks for auto whitelist would be insane, as someone with 4 weeks who's spent over $100 on the server with multiple characters, pls no.

I really would not like to see this implemented, hackers suck and so do bad apples, but the server still stands strong despite all that. The mod and admin teams are pretty good with reports in my experience. I dont see why this should be added.

Its late, so i may edit this in the morning bc im sure I rambled.
 
-1

This has been denied a couple of times already, but even so - cutting off new players is not the way to go.
 
I like the focus you've used in this suggestion, and as a matter of fact I do agree that some topics allowed on SchoolRP (especially within GangRP) aren’t appropriate for players under the minimum age requirement you've mentioned. However, there's a core reason why implementing this idea would be unfeasible. Limiting access to SchoolRP, even through a broad or simple system, would significantly reduce the influx of new players. This could very well harm the server’s activity or even lead to its decline.

This idea has been suggested before; several times, as a matter of fact. The idea of whitelisting the server sounds good on paper, as it would theoretically keep bad apples away from the server (I'm the first one to admit those trolls spamming slurs when first joining the server are quite annoying). However, from an administrative perspective, the potential benefits don't outweigh the drawbacks in this case.

Even if this suggestion doesn’t get accepted, your intentions and mind are clearly in the right place. It’s just that, practically speaking, the execution wouldn't be as feasible than it seems in theory.
 
+1 (but no strict/difficult whitelist apps)

While a whitelist will definitely scare off new players as a matter of fact, I feel as though the current size of School Roleplay is sufficient and popular enough to where new players would regularly join plus it enforces a better community with one simple step. With most servers, this idea is a definite and straight up no but I believe that a server of Roleplay Hub's size and professionalism should uphold this as etiquette
 
As others have said, since SRP is the type of server that people get hooked on by being introduced to it's wonders when trying to find something to do, having a whitelist would deter so many people from joining and wanting to be part of the community :(
 
-1
As one with.. 3 accounts and the intent to get more, having to fill something out for each one is gonna suck. Plus SRP is meant to be inclusive, not force ppl to apply to play in my eyes
Well, I didn’t cover that in my idea for the whitelist so thank you for mentioning this — you wouldn’t HAVE to apply for each, just use a command that would link your account to your ‘main’ one that was accepted. And the application isn’t meant to be difficult, like Sena mentioned. Just something to gouge if a person’s fit for the server or not.
-1
Server aint gonna grow if its growth is held back by a whitelist.
Again, the whitelist application is not meant to be difficult. It’s mostly to show if the person applying is mature enough to actually be in the server, if that makes sense? And, like Sena said, there’d still be players joining — sure, less than before, but it shouldn’t be enough to totally kill the server! At least that’s how I envisioned it. I do get why you’d think this though since a lot of people like the idea of an instant access server, which is a huge reason SRP has the amount of players it does.
This idea has been suggested before; several times, as a matter of fact. The idea of whitelisting the server sounds good on paper, as it would theoretically keep bad apples away from the server (I'm the first one to admit those trolls spamming slurs when first joining the server are quite annoying). However, from an administrative perspective, the potential benefits don't outweigh the drawbacks in this case.
I haven’t read that far back then, if there are other suggestions like mine for it! But thank you for pointing this out (and everything else you mentioned in your reply), seriously. I do understand that it might be difficult for the staff team to be fully convinced given the issues that are bound to happen with the server if my idea were to be implemented (which would be nice, or else I wouldn’t have posted this suggesting it).
And a playtime of over 5 weeks for auto whitelist would be insane, as someone with 4 weeks who's spent over $100 on the server with multiple characters, pls no.
This is not what I had in mind at all, honestly. I’m also in the same boat with spending a lot of money on the server (around 100-200 USD for both accounts), so I do get the concern here, truly


It’s early in the morning for me right now so I will not be replying to everyone, and I apologize if my responses aren’t clear (if so, please ask for clarification — I don’t bite). But thank you all for your input so far!
 
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