| Academic Referencing for Applications | 06/06/2024

[JustJuiceHex]

What's your Minecraft Username?: JustJuiceHex
What's the title of your suggestion?: | Academic Referencing for Applications | 06/06/2024

What's your suggestion?:
The suggestion will be highly debated on I doubt it will be accepted, yet, I would like to express it as I have done Prof role for quite sometime and noticed community could contribute from it a bit more. I propose the addition of an Academic Referencing component in the application stage (for Additional notes section) for & [M] level students. This component would involve QP-Professors, HD-Professors, or SLT providing academic references for students.

Reason

OOC - To create more diverse ability to develop own characters & allow more realistic sense of play. As there is certain problem. It is already possible to get PhD and secure a spot for application stages for factions or creating a canon wise adult character, nevertheless, there are players who complete their character at certain college level and desire to graduate with a record from Karakura (even when they can canonically skip time and make a coming back to town). However, inclusion of academic references from QP-Professors, HD-Professors, and SLT can provide a comprehensive overview of the players RP journey and direct evidence of engaging with the subject related to applied faction. It can highlight their participation, reasoned activity evidenced via record, and their potential for contributing positively to the Karakura community upon their return. This would motivate players to get interest in faction reach college level and get reference which potentially could positively reflect on their app as physical evidence. Some may say it is controversial, however, I believe this can be done when Faculty members are trusted by SRP staff in this perspective. It would be additional work, but it is to demonstrate a realistic sense of college play. Yes it is already mentioned that people can simply create character from scratch, or wait till they pass exams to PhD (which may take quite a long time), but there are people who desire to make a play in SRP for quality and enjoy story grinding making roleplay aspect meaningful for the character, thus adding this would cherish the nature of realistic RP which SRP is on about.

ICLY context - Academic referencing can provide valuable insights into a student’s capabilities, work ethic, and potential for growth. It can serve as a testament to the student’s academic achievements and personal development during their time at the institution. This is particularly relevant for [M] level students who graduate, pursue careers elsewhere, and then return to Karakura after a certain period.

Potential Reference format that could be added when making apps could be a screenshot of Letter from QP-Professors, HD-Professors, or SLT confirming a character's motivation, skills, bright sides etc. These should be members who are related to faction by subject or have a relative branch in it to share opinion-wise reference.


You are free to argue this suggestion, agree/deny, or modify it to your preference. I simply express my word from my observations and a few discussions I had overtime.

How will this benefit the server and community?:


This would contribute vastly, motivating people to engage in RPs, with school activities and potentially expanding the opportunity sample. It is true that there is basic application system, however, this character wise DIRECT ICLY evidence showing that people contribute in a server for their character. It was previously mentioned standard ways people can make it which don't make such a fuss out of it, however, different type of players have different approaches to gameplay. I believe versatility in system can always demonstrate brighter side of players.

 

[CakeRPiscool]

Honestly +1 they do this at my highschool so I agree with it.

 

[windswake]

-1
There is, unfortunately, a risk of bias for this. Also, if you wish to include an academic reference in your character's backstory (depending on the application, obviously some don't require backstories), I'd assume you can just include that! Ask permission if you want to include one from a specific professor, if allowed by the faction lead.

I'm all for realism, but in this case I don't think it's applicable, because.. again, risk of bias - and players who aren't able to attend, or who are too shy to engage in classes won't be able to get this perk. + As someone who reviews faction applications, I really don't think it would be much of a deciding factor.

 

[DarkEclipic]

-1

I would have to agree with Wind on this, I do not think that it is something that would be properly looked over due to many factors(Bias, Faction heads might not allow it, if they do allow it; it might not be a deciding factor due to the bias factor). Plus, it just wouldn't make sense in the long run.

 

[-kam]

-1
Dark says it all. You see, theres loads of students who could be perfectly good, yet a professor could hold oocly bias and completely drop the student.

Plus, you can just write it into a backstory. And a good backstory does your application well good so. DO THAT!

 

[JustJuiceHex]

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There is, unfortunately, a risk of bias for this. Also, if you wish to include an academic reference in your character's backstory (depending on the application, obviously some don't require backstories), I'd assume you can just include that! Ask permission if you want to include one from a specific professor, if allowed by the faction lead.

I'm all for realism, but in this case I don't think it's applicable, because.. again, risk of bias - and players who aren't able to attend, or who are too shy to engage in classes won't be able to get this perk. + As someone who reviews faction applications, I really don't think it would be much of a deciding factor.

Thank you for your comment, appreciated and touched part that I did not include, because I tend to think more positive about SRP community. Backstory bit already mentioned in suggestion. That's true that it is not forbidden and players can ask professors to make one with faction lead approval.


I will argue 'shy to engage' part - my question here is... if they are not capable of performing simple class roleplay, can they really be entrusted with performing a whole different sphere of roleplay in factions? It is okay if they are shy, but if they insecurely procrastinate to engage in social play every single time, can they manage doing simple gameplay they are entrusted with? My doubt falls here SPECIFICALLY in terms when people intentionally afk in faction to avoid rp (I am not including those that have valid reasons to not commit an rp, only those that do it on purpose) and do not commit to engage with roleplay community. Over few years I have seen players to grind their quotas with help of social circle they known for long time, but they avoid the new player waves that come to SRP (whether because they are greenies that don't understand the game yet, or players they simply don't feel like roleplaying with). I understand the fact that people may feel anxious doing roleplays as I have experienced it myself, but I understand as well if I cannot commit to certain RP I will not do in general because I will value my and other people comfort zone rationally.

Reference idea is a clear and direct way of evidencing the ability to engage with the community. It may not be a deciding application point, nevertheless, it can support the players who can roleplay but did not get the opportunity to engage with faction members they were interested in, because they get either ignored, do not catch correct time zone, or wrong moment. This is where we can follow Dark's comment below.

-1

I would have to agree with Wind on this, I do not think that it is something that would be properly looked over due to many factors(Bias, Faction heads might not allow it, if they do allow it; it might not be a deciding factor due to the bias factor). Plus, it just wouldn't make sense in the long run.

I understand the bias point that is mentioned, however, it can be met with same people who review application. The point of references is to make it more realistic and display they engage with different communities. Because at the moment people just chat with certain factions for several months, get along with them make an app and get approval to it, nevertheless, there is a distinct part of players who are simply voided from this side, which puts under questionable marking. And this is where I bring my Reference idea. To create positive versatility for players who have reasonable potential but are avoided. Not everyone will get it that is true, but at least we can include the unnoticed part of srp community. Wind mentioned being shy in classes, the same can be said about people who want to get into certain factions, but they are too shy to engage with faction members because their either scared to chat, feel awkward and then never get chance to demonstrate their positive side. I understand and accept your both points, but I also see the gaps in it.

Plus, you can just write it into a backstory. And a good backstory does your application well good so. DO THAT!

Already mentioned it in my suggestion

 

[windswake]

if they are not capable of performing simple class roleplay, can they really be entrusted with performing a whole different sphere of roleplay in factions?

Hate to respond to a response, but I feel that a lot of people (myself included!) don't function well in class settings! There's a lot going on, and sometimes professors will prioritise engaging with more outgoing students, as opposed to trying to include everyone regardless. I think you've got to understand that every faction has their own form of roleplay, and some people simply prefer non-school-based roleplay, which isn't a bad thing! Someone's ability to roleplay in one place should not dictate the way they may be able to roleplay in another. Introducing a benefit for players who are just more outgoing or able to roleplay in the snap of their fingers seems.. unfair. Which brings up another point of - if this was introduced, would professors become overwhelmed? Could they realistically keep track of the students who put in the effort?

My doubt falls here SPECIFICALLY in terms when people intentionally afk in faction to avoid rp (I am not including those that have valid reasons to not commit an rp, only those that do it on purpose) and do not commit to engage with roleplay community.

I'm curious to what you mean by this, though. Would you be able to provide an example?

Further - How is this relevant to academic referencing? Yes, people who hypothetically gain this academic reference - they would be given it due to interactions, but only in-class interactions, from what you've said in your suggestion.. "It can highlight their participation, reasoned activity evidenced via record" and "Reference idea is a clear and direct way of evidencing the ability to engage with the community"... Who is to say they interact with anyone outside of the class? You bring up the point of some faction members not interacting with new players.. Who is to say these college students will too? And if we're talking realism, college players may interact with new players outside of class, but can a professor - or anyone for that matter - keep track of it?

 

[Miamorchito]

I will argue 'shy to engage' part - my question here is... if they are not capable of performing simple class roleplay, can they really be entrusted with performing a whole different sphere of roleplay in factions?

Well, if the character as a whole is shy, then I don't think the person playing it would have issues performing simple class role-play since that's the character's personality. Plus, there's no correlation between being social and being good at work: A person can be an introvert or prefer to stay alone and yet be a great worker. There is no need to measure how well this person socializes in order to recommend it.

 

[knqzy]

-1 and -1000000 aura

 

[Nattyloo06]

+1
This is a great way to include others more in school RP within SRP and isn't that our goal here in this.. School roleplay suggestions thread?

 

[Miamorchito]

+1
This is a great way to include others more in school RP within SRP and isn't that our goal here in this.. School roleplay suggestions thread?

Aren't you failing your classes?

 

[KimiNoUso]

Reviewed
Thank you for your suggestion!

- We already check /record which is effectively your academic reference for roles within the school. Non-school faction roles typically check if you've entered college and at what level you progressed to. Teacher/Professor referencing would take far too long and isn't suitable for normal role applications, however it is up to the teacher and professor faction as to whether they ask for internal opinions before marking their own applications.​