Then carefully choose those that you RP with... also, murder is not the only things gangs do, go into other lines of gang activity.
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Bring back Kill Permissions *NOT CLICKBAIT*
- Thread starter Infi
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We can roleplay as blind characters, I know it for sure!
However, 90% of SRP think the opposite. I've already seen blinded characters never return many times before! I'm not saying that majors should be consented to, but I'm saying that people in the crime faction always attempt to find a way around something. Plus, people in the crime faction will 9 times out of 10 make a new character since you can't really GangRP the same without your eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!
if majors had to be consented too, i'd leave the crime faction for good
also hi heb how are you
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The current system encourages creativity instead of instinctively trying to kill someone who’s wronged you. People are allowed to explore their characters in full while still experiencing a plethora of dangers. It opens up the opportunity to write varied personalities without fearing they’ll be forced into giving it all up. What’s the fun in wiping someone’s development when they’re against it? There are still plenty of ways to get back at people. Being unable to kill someone’s character if they don’t want you to doesn’t eliminate all risks. If it’s beneficial enough to the storyline then the perms will surely be granted anyway. If not, it sucks but there’ll be other opportunities. Some are more than prepared to let go of their characters with the right reasoning, some aren’t. Roleplay should be enjoyable for everyone regardless. It’s not an unreasonable suggestion but kps aren’t a necessity and people should be able to roleplay without them.
The current system encourages creativity instead of instinctively trying to kill someone who’s wronged you. People are allowed to explore their characters in full while still experiencing a plethora of dangers. It opens up the opportunity to write varied personalities without fearing they’ll be forced into giving it all up. What’s the fun in wiping someone’s development when they’re against it? There are still plenty of ways to get back at people. Being unable to kill someone’s character if they don’t want you to doesn’t eliminate all risks. If it’s beneficial enough to the storyline then the perms will surely be granted anyway. If not, it sucks but there’ll be other opportunities. Some are more than prepared to let go of their characters with the right reasoning, some aren’t. Roleplay should be enjoyable for everyone regardless. It’s not an unreasonable suggestion but kps aren’t a necessity and people should be able to roleplay without them.
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Now before I respond with anything, I would like to point out that I never supported the removal of KPS so my opinion is definitely biased. HOWEVER, I cannot disagree with what has been said by many above and do agree that the removal of KPS as a whole was a benefit for crime roleplay. It forced players who played to kill to explore other options, even if those options were as many said aiming for eyes, etc. This entire time without KPS has not had a negative effect on crime roleplay as a whole, in fact despite my disagreement with it being removed originally, and still, disagreement with it not being on the server now I can strongly say the old system of KPS should never return to the server.
However, a new style of KPS with stricter methods of achieving it is something I do strongly support. Whilst I strongly disagree with killing developed characters without any real sense or reason but simply to act on the permissions gaining, sometimes, and I mean sometimes, there are times when KPS should be available as an option outside of consent (excluding KPD and BMD killing permissions which do not require consent).
A large example of this is verified and unverified gangs, whilst I do love for them to roleplay and develop their characters, they are in gangs that often cause bodily harm to others. Even during gang wars as stated by the current rule, "9.6g If a gang war is taking place, the two opposing gangs will have killing permissions on each other without needing to ask for consent. This is only for the duration of the gang war." the two gangs taking part within the gang war will have killing permissions on each other. Combat roleplay and criminal roleplay are separated by the two simple facts of killing and the use of lethal weaponry. There should be a risk for being in a gang, other than simply getting a limb removed which you can simply replace with a prosthetic and then act as if nothing happened.
Currently, as it stands, once you major in someone you practically have nothing to fear. You'll get majored back, go to the hospital to get patched up, and then continue roleplaying as if nothing happens. This does not mean I want majors to equal kill permission again but just giving an example of the current issues with the way KPS works right now.
This brings me to the end of my opinion, KPS should be returned, they should not be anywhere near as easily obtained or acted on as in the past but they should have a spot on the server. However, I would like for this to be known, I am fine with it remaining the way it is right now as well. If the staff team as a whole is capable of figuring out methods to reintroduce KPS in a way that does not bring us to the old state crime roleplay I am 100% for it returning. On the other hand, if there is no way to reintroduce KPS that is not easily obtained nor makes sense, I would prefer things to stay as they are now as personally, I don't mind it.
ps: Bringing back KPS is not up to me entirely.
Now before I respond with anything, I would like to point out that I never supported the removal of KPS so my opinion is definitely biased. HOWEVER, I cannot disagree with what has been said by many above and do agree that the removal of KPS as a whole was a benefit for crime roleplay. It forced players who played to kill to explore other options, even if those options were as many said aiming for eyes, etc. This entire time without KPS has not had a negative effect on crime roleplay as a whole, in fact despite my disagreement with it being removed originally, and still, disagreement with it not being on the server now I can strongly say the old system of KPS should never return to the server.
However, a new style of KPS with stricter methods of achieving it is something I do strongly support. Whilst I strongly disagree with killing developed characters without any real sense or reason but simply to act on the permissions gaining, sometimes, and I mean sometimes, there are times when KPS should be available as an option outside of consent (excluding KPD and BMD killing permissions which do not require consent).
A large example of this is verified and unverified gangs, whilst I do love for them to roleplay and develop their characters, they are in gangs that often cause bodily harm to others. Even during gang wars as stated by the current rule, "9.6g If a gang war is taking place, the two opposing gangs will have killing permissions on each other without needing to ask for consent. This is only for the duration of the gang war." the two gangs taking part within the gang war will have killing permissions on each other. Combat roleplay and criminal roleplay are separated by the two simple facts of killing and the use of lethal weaponry. There should be a risk for being in a gang, other than simply getting a limb removed which you can simply replace with a prosthetic and then act as if nothing happened.
Currently, as it stands, once you major in someone you practically have nothing to fear. You'll get majored back, go to the hospital to get patched up, and then continue roleplaying as if nothing happens. This does not mean I want majors to equal kill permission again but just giving an example of the current issues with the way KPS works right now.
This brings me to the end of my opinion, KPS should be returned, they should not be anywhere near as easily obtained or acted on as in the past but they should have a spot on the server. However, I would like for this to be known, I am fine with it remaining the way it is right now as well. If the staff team as a whole is capable of figuring out methods to reintroduce KPS in a way that does not bring us to the old state crime roleplay I am 100% for it returning. On the other hand, if there is no way to reintroduce KPS that is not easily obtained nor makes sense, I would prefer things to stay as they are now as personally, I don't mind it.
ps: Bringing back KPS is not up to me entirely.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W's LEWK!!!
Okay, I know that there's a huge debate going on or whatever, but are we REALLY just going to gloss over this gem?
Ah yes, the loss of my hands and feet has minorly inconvenienced me. Oh well, I suppose I'll go walk around on two peg legs and slap people around with my stubby nubs.
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I've been pretty indecisive on the consented KPS update altogether, when it was first announced, I was in full support or it. But as I've been roleplaying, I feel like it's sorta removed the risk of some forms of roleplay. I'll post my complete feedback below;
If anything though, I'm more in favor of keeping KPS consented. It'd be a shame for a super-developed character with months or even years of writing to just be thrown away, by somebody writing "/me stabs carotid." But with that logic, it'd also be a big kick in the shin for your character to lose a limb when you didn't want them to, just because you knocked somebody out. Additionally, majoring somebody by taking their eyes can also put the character out of commission, almost just how KPS would. The only difference is that the player still obviously has the option to roleplay as that character, just blind. I, personally wouldn't mind having to roleplay a blind character, just not any of my super-developed ones, as I've put too much work into them for them to just go blind because I tased someone.
However, If KPS were to be brought back, I wouldn't completely be against it. The only difference is I'd be a lot more careful knowing that a small little action can easily get my year-old character killed in the span of fifteen minutes. But if you try to look on the bright side of things, it'd definitely be disheartening, but it'd still be a great opportunity for others to roleplay off of, even if the character's death isn't roleplayed out 'correctly'. I also noticed that a few players began to leave after the KPS update, but even if it were brought back, there's no guarantee they'll come back anyway. Even at that, it's pretty silly to leave over an update like this.
A way to find a middle part of all this discussion is to add back KPS, but only if the full extent of major perms have been carried out, as Infi has suggested. Petty things that gave player's KPS that were in the rules before that Yonio mentioned was definitely a good idea to remove, but some of the things that Infi suggested should have stayed. It'd make sense ICly for a character to want revenge on another for kidnapping them successfully, or removing one of their limbs successfully. However, KPS should only be granted in that case if the limb or body part cannot be reattached to the person, or if the body part cannot be found.
While Kana does make a point with this;
I've been pretty indecisive on the consented KPS update altogether, when it was first announced, I was in full support or it. But as I've been roleplaying, I feel like it's sorta removed the risk of some forms of roleplay. I'll post my complete feedback below;
If anything though, I'm more in favor of keeping KPS consented. It'd be a shame for a super-developed character with months or even years of writing to just be thrown away, by somebody writing "/me stabs carotid." But with that logic, it'd also be a big kick in the shin for your character to lose a limb when you didn't want them to, just because you knocked somebody out. Additionally, majoring somebody by taking their eyes can also put the character out of commission, almost just how KPS would. The only difference is that the player still obviously has the option to roleplay as that character, just blind. I, personally wouldn't mind having to roleplay a blind character, just not any of my super-developed ones, as I've put too much work into them for them to just go blind because I tased someone.
However, If KPS were to be brought back, I wouldn't completely be against it. The only difference is I'd be a lot more careful knowing that a small little action can easily get my year-old character killed in the span of fifteen minutes. But if you try to look on the bright side of things, it'd definitely be disheartening, but it'd still be a great opportunity for others to roleplay off of, even if the character's death isn't roleplayed out 'correctly'. I also noticed that a few players began to leave after the KPS update, but even if it were brought back, there's no guarantee they'll come back anyway. Even at that, it's pretty silly to leave over an update like this.
A way to find a middle part of all this discussion is to add back KPS, but only if the full extent of major perms have been carried out, as Infi has suggested. Petty things that gave player's KPS that were in the rules before that Yonio mentioned was definitely a good idea to remove, but some of the things that Infi suggested should have stayed. It'd make sense ICly for a character to want revenge on another for kidnapping them successfully, or removing one of their limbs successfully. However, KPS should only be granted in that case if the limb or body part cannot be reattached to the person, or if the body part cannot be found.
While Kana does make a point with this;
There should be some sort of major risk for a character after doing something so dastardly as if to kidnap them or successfully take one of their limbs/body parts. I don't really think that's an "eye for an eye" sort of situation. (Or, what if there was some sort of in-between for majors and KPS?! If that can even be thought of. Mostly a joke, but you get the idea)
Massive -1
If you can't see the benefits of the current regime then perhaps take a gander and look at quite literally any other roleplaying community. SRP's interpretation of kill permissions were awful beforehand. Granted it isn't perfect now but it is a lot, lot better.
I feel like nobody read https://schoolrp.net/threads/feedback-kill-permissions-re-evaluation.51576/ at all and that is an exhausting thought.
Here's a quote from the thread.
If you can't see the benefits of the current regime then perhaps take a gander and look at quite literally any other roleplaying community. SRP's interpretation of kill permissions were awful beforehand. Granted it isn't perfect now but it is a lot, lot better.
I feel like nobody read https://schoolrp.net/threads/feedback-kill-permissions-re-evaluation.51576/ at all and that is an exhausting thought.
Here's a quote from the thread.
also, the only reason a player would feel no risk when gangrping currently is that they don't consider their characters in a legitimate light as real people who should have real reactions to these events. You should feel fear that your character might end up severely damaged. If your character loses an arm, it isn't happy fun fun time. It is tons of time in the hospital and an entire new diminished walk of life from then on. There are massive consequences per injury that you need to consider ICly
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Lizalopod
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This.
By the looks of it, people are saying that Major perms just are too easy to overcome and too easy to use. Shouldn't the solution be fixing major permissions instead? Otherwise we aren't really focusing on the problem, just bringing back another problem.
If we forced people with prosthetics to actually roleplay them out, along with making majors more impactful yet harder to achieve, I (in my opinion) think it would strike a balance.
I’d like to point out this has nothing to do with “not reading hebwig’s thread”. I myself was on board with the re-evaluation. However, after letting it sit for 3 months, myself and several others that initially agreed with hebwig, including hebwig herself, now dislike the idea of consented KPS. It was never a matter of “not reading a thread initially”, rather a change in opinion!
I understand not everyone is going to have the same opinion as myself and several others who agree with the thread and that’s perfectly fine! I avidly enjoyed hearing the remaining opinions on this thread honest, however my opinion will not change :)
I understand not everyone is going to have the same opinion as myself and several others who agree with the thread and that’s perfectly fine! I avidly enjoyed hearing the remaining opinions on this thread honest, however my opinion will not change :)
This!
my thoughts exactly. The only reason people are feeling that the removal of kps has made roleplaying anti-climatic is that they do not choose to roleplay correctly and actually pursue the motion of effects that a character could undergo when suffering an intense injury or any of the actual intricacies.
really the only time where kps would make sense is when consented to, or during a gang war -- which is the current system, a good system
I could see a potential gangrp barring system or the reintroduction of NLR (perhaps eli/minobu will read this n talk more about that). Something that acts as an OOC fear like being temporarily barred to gangrp or something like that.
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I read some of the replies and no offense to anyone but i believe you guys havent even read the full suggestion yet, please read it before actually jumping on infi like a mad man with an ak-47 as if she wanted the return of original kps. She only suggested that some of the ways to get kps should be brought back and i completely agree with this. For those who say "ur gangrping with the wrong people if they cant consent or rp properly" gangrp isnt all about yakuza and delinquent stuff dude, plus, its extremely hard for some players to be able to find fun in that, some people remove every single limb in your body and all you can do is "an eye for an eye" and remove theirs and hope for them not to do it again. The only major that works is stabbing peoples eyes and it became something like a /me stabs carotid. I also want to say that people often want to gangroleplay with OTHER people instead of the same people that knows how to rp 'perfectly'
The hospital is being used as if its a ripperdoc in cyberpunk 2077 but as a Lite edition, sure we cant get them epic shit but we can non-stop get prosthettic limbs and no1 wld care.
also if this suggestiom were to be added even i might would come back just to have some fun every now n then.
I read some of the replies and no offense to anyone but i believe you guys havent even read the full suggestion yet, please read it before actually jumping on infi like a mad man with an ak-47 as if she wanted the return of original kps. She only suggested that some of the ways to get kps should be brought back and i completely agree with this. For those who say "ur gangrping with the wrong people if they cant consent or rp properly" gangrp isnt all about yakuza and delinquent stuff dude, plus, its extremely hard for some players to be able to find fun in that, some people remove every single limb in your body and all you can do is "an eye for an eye" and remove theirs and hope for them not to do it again. The only major that works is stabbing peoples eyes and it became something like a /me stabs carotid. I also want to say that people often want to gangroleplay with OTHER people instead of the same people that knows how to rp 'perfectly'
I apologise to burst the dream bubble but im afraid 90% of people who get majorex LITERALLY dont care and just go to hospital n come back.
The hospital is being used as if its a ripperdoc in cyberpunk 2077 but as a Lite edition, sure we cant get them epic shit but we can non-stop get prosthettic limbs and no1 wld care.
Hope you know that no1 is gonna kill your character over a minor perms, they will only if you hire a hitman, major an important limb/body part n stuff. There are ALOT of ways to avoid kps too, attires exist, karakura might seem small for you guys roleplay abilities but its actually a big map with an underground sewer system (where bmd hides btw :OOO) and you literally just have to do is get on a place no1 wld bother to check.
Like i said, most people do not really care for the injuries. Also please remember that its not bringing kps back entirely its just adding more ways so that the people who gangrp is able to do more stuff and actually makes it worth looking at their gang activity.
also if this suggestiom were to be added even i might would come back just to have some fun every now n then.
yeah no i absolutely get that -- that is how a lot of players operate currently, and that's what I'm saying shouldn't be the case going forward.
I would love to note that there is no one way of roleplaying!
Forreal! No1 is blocking you from how YOU wanna roleplay, people just want to have OTHER ways to roleplay. Rolling combat / simple roleplay still counts as a way of roleplaying!