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Zrle

Zrle

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What's your Minecraft Username?: Zrle
What's the title of your suggestion?: Certain Sport Rules Public

What's your suggestion?:
As everyone whose been on a team should know, we have our own handbook for rules that go along with it. Obviously, the rules are relatively well known, and I presume people not on teams know of them as well, however not all the rules.

What I am proposing is rules that affect people NOT on teams / interested in trying out for a team should be public.
Examples of rules that affect non-team members:

10 Someone arrested for a felony in the last 3 months may not be on a team.
a. Players who have their character as convicted felon must be given the opportunity to change characters to remain on the team.​
b. Felonies are defined in the following document: https://schoolrp.net/threads/town-laws-regulations-legislature-more.49631/​
c. Characters who committed one of the following felonies may never be on teams:​
  1. Animal Murder
  2. Assault with a Deadly Weapon
  3. Assault on a Government Official
  4. Assault with a Weapon
  5. Weapon Trafficking
  6. Hostage Taking
  7. Gang Affiliation
  8. Capital Murder
  9. First Degree Murder
  10. Second Degree Murder
  11. Manslaughter
  12. Conspiracy to Commit Murder/Major Injury
59. A college team may receive scholarships if and only if they are struggling to fill their roster.
  1. A scholarship is a high school student going to college to join a team in college.
  2. Scholarships are only given to students with a good record, this includes attended classes and detentions.
    1. The general requirements for this are as follows:
      1. Must have 2 or less detentions last month
      2. Must have attended at least 10 classes last month and 25 in total
      3. Must not have more than 1 suspension in the last year
    2. The above requirements are allowed to be changed by the college sports faction lead on a case-by-case basis.
61. Do not get gangs involved in any rivalry encounters or altercations between team members in the context of rivalry.
62. Do not get any outside player involved in any encounters or altercations between team members in the context of rivalry.
  1. When an outside player is directly involved in what happened this rule does not apply.
  2. Outside players are allowed to interact with the situation, however they do not have ANY perms. This means they can save your characters, but do not assault themselves.

Of course, if it is desired, the entire document could be public, but I believe these rules in specific are needed. In addition, if these rules are public, it would be easy to link them in tryout announcements. So that way, if it relates to a tryout, they can be informed.

How will this benefit the server and community?:
These rules will help players who are affected by said rules to be better informed, rather than not knowing them. As for individual reasons for why those specific rules will benefit the community, I have listed them.

Rule 10: When anyone new to sports faction as a whole is trying out, they might be trying out on a character that has received a felony, or has committed specific crimes. It is near impossible for a captain to go and check the characters day of, so rather it can rely on the player to not tryout on a criminal character.
Rule 59: Again in similar to above ^^ many players might tryout for a team, but do not know the specifics of what scholarship means, hence they might not qualify, because they had no way of knowing.
Rule 61 & 62: This does NOT apply to tryoutees, but rather everyone on the server who is not apart of sports faction. Often players do not realize that we are unable to let them be involved in rivalry, and having to say "yeah its apart of our rulebook that you haven't ever seen, and you just have to follow it too." is kinda . . . well, hard for both sides. So this would really just prevent confusion between players, especially those in crime trying to gain perms off of it.

Overall, I believe these rules affect players who do not have access to the rulebook, hence, it should be public, and easily citable in the case of tryout announcements.
 
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Well put: this is worthy freedom of information. Making the rivalry rules public would also be nice.
 
+1 This happened to me! Joined a team on my gang character, after that I was informed I had to make a new character for gangrp. I was still new to gangrp as well so it was a bummer as I had a lot planned for that character.
 
Zrle said:
Rule 10
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This is up to the captain/co-captain to remind players who are trying out / already on the team about these rules about felonies. And if they get a felony on the team, then that is on them and they would be at fault. This was brought up to me by a member of the community to see if people can't get their felonies(for students) gone through the government and have them challenged, But as it stands. There is no system set up for this and most likely won't be for quite a while / if at all.

Zrle said:
Rule 59
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Again, that is up to the captain and co-captain to explain to the people trying out about what scholarships mean and what is the requirements to it.

Zrle said:
Rule 61 & 62
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Its up to the sport team members to make sure all situations are followed by the Sport Team rules AND SRP rules.


As a former sport team member and someone whos interacted with jocks and know the rivalry rules, a lot of what you are experiencing is just lack of communication between normal players and jock team members. Yes, it would be helpful to have rivalry rules to be public. But, at the same time it doesn't make sense. Sports are a faction, meaning you have internal rules that you have to follow(yalls rulebook) that you have to follow that others do not. That is like saying that all factions(EMS, KPD, Government, Teacher, etc) would have to publish ALL of their rules to the public for all to see. Which, if you aren't part of that faction, it wont make sense for you to see those rules and so on.

In short, I am -1 on this suggestion as it is up to the community and members of that faction to make sure people around them are following the rules and up to them to tell certain rules to outsiders when it comes to how your faction runs. It doesn't need to be public, we just need to get better at communicating
 
DarkEclipic said:
This is up to the captain/co-captain to remind players who are trying out / already on the team about these rules about felonies. And if they get a felony on the team, then that is on them and they would be at fault. This was brought up to me by a member of the community to see if people can't get their felonies(for students) gone through the government and have them challenged, But as it stands. There is no system set up for this and most likely won't be for quite a while / if at all.


Again, that is up to the captain and co-captain to explain to the people trying out about what scholarships mean and what is the requirements to it.


Its up to the sport team members to make sure all situations are followed by the Sport Team rules AND SRP rules.


As a former sport team member and someone whos interacted with jocks and know the rivalry rules, a lot of what you are experiencing is just lack of communication between normal players and jock team members. Yes, it would be helpful to have rivalry rules to be public. But, at the same time it doesn't make sense. Sports are a faction, meaning you have internal rules that you have to follow(yalls rulebook) that you have to follow that others do not. That is like saying that all factions(EMS, KPD, Government, Teacher, etc) would have to publish ALL of their rules to the public for all to see. Which, if you aren't part of that faction, it wont make sense for you to see those rules and so on.

In short, I am -1 on this suggestion as it is up to the community and members of that faction to make sure people around them are following the rules and up to them to tell certain rules to outsiders when it comes to how your faction runs. It doesn't need to be public, we just need to get better at communicating
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Sorry, but what you said on the first two is just not tangible. People who are well versed in the community reach out and they typically already know the rules, newer players don't -- and thus we have NO idea that they are trying out and cannot help them. Time and time again sports faction has been told to prioritize new members who haven’t been on teams before. These first two rules are solely helpful to them, because they don't reach out to us about specifics.

You say towards the 61/62 rule:
“Sports are a faction, meaning you have internal rules that you have to follow(yalls rulebook) that you have to follow that others do not.”​
Which if you read the rule, is false, it is clearly talking about other people not being able to get involved. Which in my time doing rivalry, I've had to tell non-sports members, AT LEAST three times that they cannot get involved. This has led sometimes to them questioning me, and me having to get a staff member to point out the rule, because they don't see it.

IN ADDITION, every single other faction has the "fearRP" rule, (maybe not crime, idk their rules cus I don't get involved). Whereas, sports faction we cannot just force people to not get involved / follow rule 61/62 by doing so in character.
For example: teacher faction, which I was apart of, if theres a fight or anyone breaking the factions rules, teachers can simply go up, tell them to knock it off, and if they don't listen, say in LOOC: you have to fearRP and listen or else staff will be called. Same with KPD, you have to follow what they say or you get told to fearRP.​
We do not have the same luxury, thus we have to resort to saying in LOOC, "you literally cannot get involved, its a rule" and calling over staff, because being told to follow a rule you cannot see, is unfair for their party.

I would 100% agree with you, if these rules did not affect non-team members / if they did not have to follow them, like other factions. But they unfortunately do. Which, it is unfair to have to follow rules that you do not even know, so it should be public knowledge. Or, like other factions, we had a known rule (fearRP) that we could tell them to follow when you say in character: "don't get involved", and they know it exists so they don't argue back.

EDIT: in addition, there already ARE KPD rules that are posted in the official rules because they "affect" others, like the rules I pointed out.
7.5 CCTV are cameras around the map that police, shop owners, and gang turf managers have access to. The exterior parts of any buildings are accessible by police, whereas any of the cameras within the properties of shop owners and gang turf managers are accessible by those roles respectively.

7.5a Shop owners and gang turf managers may also manipulate the footage on said CCTV.​
7.5b Police are able to check interior buildings’ CCTV upon requesting access from the property owner; however, they will not be able to see any manipulated footage.​
7.5c A police officer must be present at the CCTV desk in the police station when requesting CCTV on a character. The police officer must have a proper motive (such as a report) to use CCTV.​

Tldr: I completely understand and respect your opinion, but the reasoning is a little misguided
 
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I don't see an issue with making people aware, but holding information that affects other people who aren't a part of the faction feels weird. So hell yeah +1
 
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I genuinely see no reason against this. Given the impact of inactivity on many players (including staff), it is better to provide applicants with the NECESSARY information when applying for something. Just as Zrle said, some factions HAVE PUBLIC RULES for applicants. So they don't have to spend time and effort doing something that is going to be instantly rejected.
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FAQ in Shrine Applications (in the context of what is allowed to be part of the faction) https://schoolrp.net/threads/monastery-application-format-rules-information.50249​
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Reasons why this SHOULD be made known to the public are evident. Other factions do it; thus, it is only logical to inform applicants about it as well, even if the application is not made on the Forums.

I agree with DarkEcliptic in the sense that not every rule should be public; however, rules regarding applications, especially those that can result in immediate rejection without the other person's knowledge, should be made public. Revealing Rule 10 and 59 in particular will not reveal everything, and it will bring more help than harm to everyone. Needless to say, it would also help alleviate the workload from the Community team and members of the faction.
 
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Miamorchito said:
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I genuinely see no reason against this. Given the impact of inactivity on many players (including staff), it is better to provide applicants with the NECESSARY information when applying for something. Just as Zrle said, some factions HAVE PUBLIC RULES for applicants. So they don't have to spend time and effort doing something that is going to be instantly rejected.
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FAQ in Shrine Applications (in the context of what is allowed to be part of the faction) https://schoolrp.net/threads/monastery-application-format-rules-information.50249​
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Reasons why this SHOULD be made known to the public are evident. Other factions do it; thus, it is only logical to inform applicants about it as well, even if the application is not made on the Forums.

I agree with DarkEcliptic in the sense that not every rule should be public; however, rules regarding applications, especially those that can result in immediate rejection without the other person's knowledge, should be made public. Revealing Rule 10 and 59 in particular will not reveal everything, and it will bring more help than harm to everyone. Needless to say, it would also help alleviate the workload from the Community team and members of the faction.
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I forgot about this, but yeah. I just see that having it shared can only benefit the community, not hurt it in any way.
 
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As someone ON a team, and co-captain, this will NOT hurt the community whatsoever, and I think it would be great to have for those interested in the sports faction. Perhaps even like, a sports official post for forums. (Not just having it highlighted under SCHOOL | Explanation, Requirements & More, or at the very least add this change to said document. Especially since it's more recent !!)

In addition, if the person for example, thinks felons cant get on... and they don't ask us BECAUSE of that, we can't exactly 'advise' them if we don't know that's what they're thinking. Overall, public data more visible or at the very least put in the roleplay document containing it would be good. I love the idea!
 
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I love this idea, i don't see why this shouldn't be put into effect. Disagreeing here feels like intentionally ignoring newer players who aren't familiar with sports faction rules.
 
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As someone just returning from a hiatus of 3 years... and has previously RPd within the jock plotline/dynamic, the fact this is still something that isn't public and hidden from new players is insane.

To respond to the initial -1: In the most respectful way possible, it sounds like you want tryouts to include a rules segment - I get to sit and read someone RP out listing however many rules... no thanks.
Besides, while yes I agree it makes complete sense to learn these rules ICly; as someone pointed out about GangRP - knowing these rules a priori can actually let someone know OOCly "Hey, I don't think I'd enjoy having to RP within this extra ruleset"
 
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As a College captain, I agree on spreading information on Sport faction rules.

When it comes down to scholarships [rule 59] - information on it is actually public. However, not many people actually know where to find it. You can find it in the pinned messages in the tryouts channel in the Karakura academics server. However outside of knowing that you'd normally have to ask around, getting information from a person who has the rule book aka a sports member. Often depending who you ask could lead to false information about it; leading to let downs come tryouts.

Furthermore, other rules mentioned are just as important. all four rules mentioned are quite important for interacting with sports members - to trying to become one.
 
xP3arlx said:
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As a College captain, I agree on spreading information on Sport faction rules.

When it comes down to scholarships [rule 59] - information on it is actually public. However, not many people actually know where to find it. You can find it in the pinned messages in the tryouts channel in the Karakura academics server. However outside of knowing that you'd normally have to ask around, getting information from a person who has the rule book aka a sports member. Often depending who you ask could lead to false information about it; leading to let downs come tryouts.

Furthermore, other rules mentioned are just as important. all four rules mentioned are quite important for interacting with sports members - to trying to become one.
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Yeah I had no idea that was there. I especially don’t think people who don’t already know the scholarship rules / don’t feel comfortable asking… aka the people making this rule public will help, won’t know where to find it.
 
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