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Rule Tweak To Apartments and Housing

Lizalopod

Level 130
was always a rule, not many people knew about it so it seems since people think its new
I don't believe it was in the rules previously. I remember it changing when the new ones were drafted. If it was in the rules previously, it wasn't utilized AT ALL.
 

CecilThePotato

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I don't believe it was in the rules previously. I remember it changing when the new ones were drafted. If it was in the rules previously, it wasn't utilized AT ALL.
Can agree there I really don’t believe it was in the rules previously as well because I openly owned 3 apartments for like at minimum 7 months. Talked to some staff about it before it’s been mentioned in ooc before plenty of times and I feel like I’m the span of 7 months considering all my alts are legit named Cecilthepotatov2 and CecilDatPotato I feel like if it was a rule I definitely would have been punished
 

HATOLA

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I don't believe it was in the rules previously. I remember it changing when the new ones were drafted. If it was in the rules previously, it wasn't utilized AT ALL.
Can agree there I really don’t believe it was in the rules previously as well because I openly owned 3 apartments for like at minimum 7 months. Talked to some staff about it before it’s been mentioned in ooc before plenty of times and I feel like I’m the span of 7 months considering all my alts are legit named Cecilthepotatov2 and CecilDatPotato I feel like if it was a rule I definitely would have been punished
It doesn't matter if the rule is new or not, you knew it was a rule. Don't buy an apartment/house if you already have one. MOVE the items before you buy the house/apartment.
 

CecilThePotato

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It doesn't matter if the rule is new or not, you knew it was a rule. Don't buy an apartment/house if you already have one. MOVE the items before you buy the house/apartment.
So as there putting the houses up for sale just move everything in the span of 5 minutes?
 

CecilThePotato

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The way they did it either you found out that day. Or you found out 5 minutes before the houses went up. Anyway you look about it you get no time to plan to move apartments/houses due to everyone flooding them. On the one house alone I did manage to buy there where 3 other people at the sign I can only imagine how many other people where there. Expired signs are probably the only exception to this as in your waiting for staff to answer the forums anyway. The way things stand right now your stuck at the apartment you bought and there’s barely any chances of moving unless it’s a expired activity sign because atleast then not everyone and there great grandmothers are flooding at it trying to buy them. There’s no way anyone can sit here and say that when they’ve bought a apartment they have had the time to move everything out into a friends house and then unclaim and buy the new place and then shoved everything back into the new place unless it was from a friend they’ve had time to move again I’ll say 2 years worth of srp stuff out into some random apartment and then traded ext. It’s a unreasonable expectation brought on to the player base by the staff team to either give of the choice to just poof drop my apartment there’s houses in five mins or we are apparently expected to just always be ready to move chests apon chests of items into some friends house in the span of only a few minutes
 

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Lizalopod

Level 130
It doesn't matter if the rule is new or not, you knew it was a rule. Don't buy an apartment/house if you already have one. MOVE the items before you buy the house/apartment.
It wasn't made clear at all at the time. Some staff members said that it was legal. Like I still agree with the punishment don't get me wrong. It just should have been communicated better.

And then having time to move stuff over would be really good, especially since there's not much time to prepare as the houses are announced minutes before they go public. Unless you can somehow move a ton of items in 5 minutes.
 

HATOLA

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So as there putting the houses up for sale just move everything in the span of 5 minutes?
If you know you want to get a house, it's your responsibility to move the items.

It wasn't made clear at all at the time. Some staff members said that it was legal. Like I still agree with the punishment don't get me wrong. It just should have been communicated better.
As I said before, this rule is a thing for a long time and it's on your own to read the rules as I did that before they even updated the rules for a few times; As staff said a few times in OOC to not buy it because of this rule. Even if they announce a few minutes before they give the houses -> you know you want a house from BEFORE and you have to do that a few days before you plan to buy the house.
 

CecilThePotato

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If you know you want to get a house, it's your responsibility to move the items.


As I said before, this rule is a thing for a long time and it's on your own to read the rules as I did that before they even updated the rules for a few times; As staff said a few times in OOC to not buy it because of this rule. Even if they announce a few minutes before they give the houses -> you know you want a house from BEFORE and you have to do that a few days before you plan to buy the house.
I’d like to point out that this isn’t a ban appeal or anything. This is a suggestion for a rule tweak. If you don’t agree that people should get a leeway time to move there items out and into the new place then -1 and move on
 

maraa

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I don't believe it was in the rules previously. I remember it changing when the new ones were drafted. If it was in the rules previously, it wasn't utilized AT ALL.
Well, I agree with that last remark, which explains why so few individuals were aware of the regulation. Staff are now making sure that people KNOW it's a rule, and I've seen them tell people in OOC chat since the new building and houses and whatnot came to life. I only knew it was a rule because I was curious about the maximum number of units one could buy, and that inquiry was addressed in 2020. I'm not sure why some folks got away with it and others didn't.

Here is a quick scenario for ya though!

Let's imagine these houses go on sale at 1 a.m. or later in your timezone, and you don't have any pals online or anyone who can keep the goods for you! Given that you may have more than ten double chests in your current residence? Considering how your alts won't be able to hold everything, or how you won't be able to play two minecrafts at the same time without crashing everything! [This is my problem.] I don't see why buying the house on an alt would be a problem in this given moment, especially if that person can play more than two minecrafts. Then disown the other apartment after you've moved the goods. Simple! Exactly like that. Let's have a look at the advantages of doing so:
  • You don't have to worry about having your things stolen
  • Someone who can't afford the houses being put for sale can buy that apartment you just disowned
  • Avoid a warn (by NOT disowning the apartment)
But like I said before, my opinion on this is neutral, I'm not taking any side here, I'm for AND against it.

Now let's look at another scenario!

Let's pretend this was permitted, and you could only possess the two housing/apartments blah blah for a certain time in order to relocate your belongings. The administration puts trust in the community as a whole to handle this appropriately. It is commonly known that not everyone on srp has a mature mentality. Someone takes advantage of the staff team's trust and decides to keep both apartments/housing. Seeing that humans will always have a bit of greed in them. Now we move onto why this is bad;
  • It keeps one less person from having a place to store things
  • Taking advantage of the staff team's generosity
  • Being greedy and immature
  • Basically lying in a way
It doesn't matter if the rule is new or not, you knew it was a rule.
If they are now claiming that this rule is new, I don't think they realized it was a rule in the past. It wasn't discussed in the rules thread or put OUT there, so no one can blame them.

Also! Nobody knew the houses would be available for purchase again, or that there would be a complex H. How could anyone relocate their belongings ahead of time if half of the community was shocked by the announcements? As a result, it isn't truly their fault. Whether or not it was their responsibility, they made it obvious that they were unaware of it in the first place and that they had pointed it out multiple times, and that is all they are attempting to say. It's very understandable. I didn't want a house or anything, but I too did not know about the new complex or the houses.

People knew there was going to be a new building but no one was told exactly when this was going to happen.

 

Naishoten

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I agree that there should be an amount of time that you can be allowed to own 2 places. However this period of time should be 1 ooc hour at most. In theory I think any person could easily move all there items in under 15 min ooc to the new property.
 

zerie

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+1

Some people weren't aware of the rule at first and ended up hearing about it after they lost the house because of having an apartment on another account. A grace period just to move all ya stuff over to then disown the current apartment for the house would've been fine.

Well, I agree with that last remark, which explains why so few individuals were aware of the regulation. Staff are now making sure that people KNOW it's a rule, and I've seen them tell people in OOC chat since the new building and houses and whatnot came to life. I only knew it was a rule because I was curious about the maximum number of units one could buy, and that inquiry was addressed in 2020. I'm not sure why some folks got away with it and others didn't.

What they said pretty much sums up the whole thing, they put it into great words as well. ^^
 

Lyla Rose

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Having sort of like a grace period of time to move your stuff would be really handy - even if it's just a plugin that says "You have 30 minutes until the permissions of your old living space are removed." An option to keep your old apartment/house by disowning your newly bought place could also be available too if that's even possible to make (hopefully). If you choose to disown your newly bought place, a refund could be given to the player, as long as they disown it within that 30-minute range, or whatever time limit there will be. I hope my reply made a decent amount of sense to everyone reading.
 

xBonnie

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was always a rule, not many people knew about it so it seems since people think its new
I’m guessing it wasn’t reinforced seeing as there were free houses available for newer players to use in roleplay. I still stand by my argument either way, a limit of 2 per person would be more ideal for the more active and older community who dedicate a lot more time into the server.
 

xBonnie

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I’ve heard that one reason for this rule was to give new players a chance to own a property, however in all honestly gaining that much money as a new player is extremely difficult if they aren’t active or doing something such as tailoring or an IC job, which are both difficult to do for new players. This being said, I don’t think any new player is going to be able to afford a 50k-250k a month property. If there is going to be a limit on how many properties you may own I would suggest 2 per person. I was warned for owning two properties before knowing the rules were updated (I was warned before the announcements came out) which I thought was strange and a tad unnecessary too. It seems a bit extreme to limit the entire server to a singular property, when many of its highly active members have more than one account, usually with different age ranges and characters unique to one another.
My mistake for not realising it was an older rule, however I still stand by my points made.
 

Iphone76

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Well, I agree with that last remark, which explains why so few individuals were aware of the regulation. Staff are now making sure that people KNOW it's a rule, and I've seen them tell people in OOC chat since the new building and houses and whatnot came to life. I only knew it was a rule because I was curious about the maximum number of units one could buy, and that inquiry was addressed in 2020. I'm not sure why some folks got away with it and others didn't.

Here is a quick scenario for ya though!

Let's imagine these houses go on sale at 1 a.m. or later in your timezone, and you don't have any pals online or anyone who can keep the goods for you! Given that you may have more than ten double chests in your current residence? Considering how your alts won't be able to hold everything, or how you won't be able to play two minecrafts at the same time without crashing everything! [This is my problem.] I don't see why buying the house on an alt would be a problem in this given moment, especially if that person can play more than two minecrafts. Then disown the other apartment after you've moved the goods. Simple! Exactly like that. Let's have a look at the advantages of doing so:
  • You don't have to worry about having your things stolen
  • Someone who can't afford the houses being put for sale can buy that apartment you just disowned
  • Avoid a warn (by NOT disowning the apartment)
But like I said before, my opinion on this is neutral, I'm not taking any side here, I'm for AND against it.

Now let's look at another scenario!

Let's pretend this was permitted, and you could only possess the two housing/apartments blah blah for a certain time in order to relocate your belongings. The administration puts trust in the community as a whole to handle this appropriately. It is commonly known that not everyone on srp has a mature mentality. Someone takes advantage of the staff team's trust and decides to keep both apartments/housing. Seeing that humans will always have a bit of greed in them. Now we move onto why this is bad;
  • It keeps one less person from having a place to store things
  • Taking advantage of the staff team's generosity
  • Being greedy and immature
  • Basically lying in a way

If they are now claiming that this rule is new, I don't think they realized it was a rule in the past. It wasn't discussed in the rules thread or put OUT there, so no one can blame them.

Also! Nobody knew the houses would be available for purchase again, or that there would be a complex H. How could anyone relocate their belongings ahead of time if half of the community was shocked by the announcements? As a result, it isn't truly their fault. Whether or not it was their responsibility, they made it obvious that they were unaware of it in the first place and that they had pointed it out multiple times, and that is all they are attempting to say. It's very understandable. I didn't want a house or anything, but I too did not know about the new complex or the houses.

People knew there was going to be a new building but no one was told exactly when this was going to happen.



Serious post #2 on my career


Right so I guess I will start this post out with saying I do agree with a majority of it but it is lacking in my opinion.


Firstly: I guess I will start with the point on moving, yes not everyone has a computer which can handle multiple minecrafts running at once. I used to have a pc just like this up until a few years ago when I got into gaming and stopped using it for just school work. This also doesn't excuse that multiple people knew this rule existed and still decided they wanted to buy a House. They decided to even after the rules being updated and us being notified multiple times broke said rules.

Secondly: I would go about this a different way for fixing it. If you ever read OOC chat people are always searching for penthouses and apartments and less commonly people selling them but it still happens. A limbo would be nice to happen but it wouldn't be practical for staff to sit and time things like these then punish people who go over this said time limit. You also have to think people for years got away with breaking this year so what's to say they don't just get away with it again.

Thirdly: Most servers don't announce when rules are changed and it's up to the players to keep updates with the rules. The SRP staff was kind enough to announce it not once but multiple times a day for the last 5 days now so really you can't use not knowing this as an excuse as it's commonality to read Rules before you start playing on a server so you don't break them.




NYUUUUUM APPLE
 

CecilThePotato

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Firstly: I guess I will start with the point on moving, yes not everyone has a computer which can handle multiple minecrafts running at once. I used to have a pc just like this up until a few years ago when I got into gaming and stopped using it for just school work. This also doesn't excuse that multiple people knew this rule existed and still decided they wanted to buy a House. They decided to even after the rules being updated and us being notified multiple times broke said rules.

Thirdly: Most servers don't announce when rules are changed and it's up to the players to keep updates with the rules. The SRP staff was kind enough to announce it not once but multiple times a day for the last 5 days now so really you can't use not knowing this as an excuse as it's commonality to read Rules before you start playing on a server so you don't break them.




NYUUUUUM APPLE
Again this isn't a ban appeal or an appeal in general. Again this post is AGREEING with the rules but saying the fact that you have no leeway time to move your things into a apartment is unrealistic. The fact that it took legitimately 2 1/2 Minutes for them to find another apartment attests to the fact that they have ways to handle it. Maybe it could even be a thing that gets cleared with staff before moving. It isn't that hard to set up a system for people that are moving.
 

Iphone76

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Again this isn't a ban appeal or an appeal in general. Again this post is AGREEING with the rules but saying the fact that you have no leeway time to move your things into a apartment is unrealistic. The fact that it took legitimately 2 1/2 Minutes for them to find another apartment attests to the fact that they have ways to handle it. Maybe it could even be a thing that gets cleared with staff before moving. It isn't that hard to set up a system for people that are moving.
My post doesn't say that isn't a bad idea it's simply pointing out faults in the way it was suggested, I agree sure players can use leeway between purchases and need time to move stuff. But having a times thing just makes work harder for staff. My suggestion would be a /move command which when you buy a new apartment you have access to for 360000 ticks or 5 hours so you can move said stuff. It removes staff having to manually time things and makes it so players aren't holding onto an apartment for a long time.
 

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