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yeah im pretty sure it's not a need, there's no need to overexaggerate; people play on the server as a hobby and for fun, both minors and adults
for the most part, yeah, but what do you imply myself, ghostfireswords, specifically (i think im pretty sharp, myself)
A child is a child. I've said it before, they don't have the mental maturity to process that they are being inappropriately talked to. Don't take it personally. Everyone thinks they're too smart, too perceptive to be *******. That's not the case at all. Adults on the other hand SHOULD absolutely, undeniably know better. They should have the maturity to know that's not okay, that there's no need as a grown person to ever engage with a minor in that way.
The difference is, someone who is considered an ADULT, should have the MERE common sense to know that writing ANYTHING romantic to a child, KNOWINGLY, is so fucking weird, creepy, and it's borderline grooming. As an adult, who has CREATED a character, with full conciousness, knowingly, then goes and writes ROMANTIC things to another character, who OOCly, is a child, and they know that, is weird. Someone who is a child, does not have the same mentality as someone who is an ADULT, their brains, (Even as an adult too,) aren't even fully developed, and sometimes, cannot even comprehend / recognise what grooming / what is right, and what is wrong. You are someone who used to lie about your age this server, as a child. Do not act like you have no idea, you are arguing it's not weird, I'm arguing it is. Because it is. If you CANNOT see this is weird, there is a PROBLEM. Or YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
This is an extremely dangerous mindset to have. Something like this should NOT be normalized simply because it's a common occurrence.
It shouldn't matter if it is considered taking IC to OOC when there is child endangerment, grooming, and overall illegal and inappropriate things coming of it.
Again, do not take situations like this lightly at all. Referring to grooming as 'sus' behavior is in distaste when something as serious as this is at hand. Any jokes or light hearted comments of this matter are not welcome in a discussion as serious as this one.
This statement from Yonio sums up a huge issue. What one person would consider normal roleplay could end up being romancerp for someone else and that could lead to punishment for the person who thought nothing of it? But overall, I do believe that if you know the person is impressionable and a minor, you shouldn't romancerp them.
This is another good point, since minors can still be impressionable on each other. The action will have the same effect no matter on who it is sent from. It isn't much different from an 18-year-old rping with a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old whos turning 18 doing the same. And if it's okay since the 17-year-old is a minor still, does that mean they would have to cut everything off after turning 18? As I said, there needs to be a lot of time put into this if it will get implemented.
I understand the context but calling someone the problem isn't cool. They are voicing their opinion in a safe space, so keep it that way. Your other points are strong, but this weakens your argument because it looks like you're grasping at straws.
again.. they're not writing it to the child, but to their character.. which, is not the child.................. you'd know if it was meant for the child if it ever went oocly
yes, and by personal experience, i have had no issues with what everybody is arguing against here; call me the problem if you wish, but it's my opinion!
for this, same goes as for the first response and my previous feedback which im getting too lazy to restate, sorry
if this was meant for me, just wanted to ask if you could point out when i have so i could clear it up or correct myself; in no way am i trying to attack a certain person, whilst i completely agree with the fact that we should NOT target a specific person (i think it's for me because it's under my feedback but i could be wrong)
Hey RexLobo, if you believe an adult, roleplaying romantically with a minor, is not a problem, you're (not you specifically, in general) part of the problem. Who cares if it isn't cool? If you're (not you, in general) roleplaying romantically with a child, I think that's a lot less-cooler, and you should be worrying about THAT, opposed to me just CALLING someone 'a problem'. This is not a safe space. Kids are being *******, and taken advantage of (this is illegal by the way), is that your idea of a 'safe space'? I think if your opinion on borderline grooming, is anything other than 'it is wrong', perhaps re-asses. I am seventeen years old, and even I, can understand better than an adult (not you, in general), that is is wrong.
Its just in general. I saw a few personal attacks in this thread and imo it weakens both arguments. I was more giving some context to the blatant disrespect that i quoted under it. mb if it was confusing.
I'd like to point out, that I have, in the past, reported the EXACT thing you're talking about, and you know what happened? Nothing. Nothing happened, nothing has been done. This is why it's an issue.
Here's the thing; you're asking the exact same staff team to enforce the same exact rulebook with what's being suggested
What I reported, wasn't even roleplay. It was OOC flirting, between an adult, and a child. Someone who hadn't even finished school, and nothing was done about it. If nothing has been done about something OOCLy, what makes anyone think anything will be done about something ICly?
I think that's the question that I should ask.. however, if nothing was done about it, there's definitely nothing that I can do about it unfortunately. It sucks that it happened, and I'm unsure why it wasn't handled, but I could only guess
In no way am I saying that it isn't a problem. As I said, I agree with making this a thing, ONLY if the proper steps are taken and the rules state clearly what is punishable. What I'm saying is to keep this thread professional, as it is a delicate subject. I am worried about the topic at hand, as it is a VERY LARGE issue. But openly attacking someone for their opinion is not the way to go about it. I'm looking at both arguments as they are both valid. Grooming is a very large issue and its clear. That's why everyone here is taking their time to speak about it and the rules.
And as Maria said, the way to make sure it WOULD NEVER happen again is way too much and hard to moderate. That's why common sense is a large part of this. Staff can only do so much, and that's a horrible, but true fact. Minors can always end up lying about being older than they are, and adults could lie about being younger. Without the ID being required before being whitelisted (as Maria said) It won't be able to be properly monitored. I have friends who have been lied to about the ages of people they have been roleplaying with, and it is a big issue. I hate the fact that it happens, but it won't be able to be stopped. Rules can only be enforced if they are very clear and facts are known.
These points are obsolete if both parties are aware one of them is a minor and the other isn't.
I agree, however, it is on the adult's part to ensure these types of boundaries are set and never crossed.
Of course; I should've pointed that out. (and i've edited that original post to clear that- because that's what i was originally intending though i've worded it a bit weird)
I also agree with this, but I'm looking at it from the community perspective and not how I would see it myself.
