oInfi | Disorder Authorization Application Suggestion

[Infi]

as i stated before, it's essentially the same exact scenario but with the character & not you, the one playing said character. it's also pointless to have that limit & have to apply, & only gives the staff even MORE applications to look through. on top of the fact that, as someone else said, they have rules against fantasy-based characters & what-not, yet some people — usually new players — still make nonhuman, fantasy characters.

not to mention, if someone is applying for their character to have a certain disorder, i don't believe someone should be dictating whether or not 'how they got that disorder' is good enough for the application to be accepted. because if you're going to view it realistically, only an actual the****** or psychiatrist can determine something like that. staff could see some applications where the reason is actually valid, but may not be informed enough about the disorder & how it manifests, leading them to deny an application due to ignorance.

hence why i believe simply adding a rule to not overdo / be extreme & misrepresent the disorder(s) would be the better option. along with encouraging players to do thorough research on these disorders, basically educating themselves, so they'll (hopefully) gain a proper understanding of it & how to portray it through their character(s). assuming they don't already have the disorder themselves IRL, of course.

*looks at the Giantism, Dwarfism, and language applications* (Giantism and Dwarfism in which are actual disorders you are applying for)

 

[HATOLA]

leading them to deny an application due to ignorance.

and here you're wrong. even SRP psychiatrists are doing BIG research to find out about everything their patients want to get diagnosed or whatever. Same will do the staff members and I believe most of the people WON'T apply bc 3 is a lot

 

[milkyram]

*looks at the Giantism, Dwarfism, and language applications*

those three things are vastly different from mental illness, so they can't exactly be compared in this scenario.

 

[Infi]

those three things are vastly different from mental illness, so they can't exactly be compared in this scenario.

Language probably can’t, but Giantism and dwarfism can! It’s like making an application asking how you were born and what made you turn out to be the way you are. The purpose of the application doesn’t restrict having a mental illness, it simply ensures that people know what they’re roleplaying out. That’s why all authorization applications are created

 

[milkyram]

and here you're wrong. even SRP psychiatrists are doing BIG research to find out about everything their patients want to get diagnosed or whatever. Same will do the staff members and I believe most of the people WON'T apply bc 3 is a lot

yes, but SRP psychiatrists are not TRAINED for it like a real psychiatrist is. you can research about it as much as possible, but it doesn't make you qualified to dictate whether someone does or doesn't have the disorder.

to say that having three disorders is a lot is false. you can have depression, anxiety, ptsd & other disorders all at the same time. claiming that it's 'a lot' is being unrealistic as everyone's trauma & situations are different.

 

[milkyram]

Language probably can’t, but Giantism and dwarfism can! It’s like making an application asking how you were born and what made you turn out to be the way you are. The purpose of the application doesn’t restrict having a mental illness, it simply ensures that people know what they’re roleplaying out. That’s why all authorization applications are created

giantism & dwarfism are physical, whereas mental illness is. . well, mental. mental illness is vastly complex & there's a lot to unpack with it. that's not to say giantism & dwarfism may not be complex, but arguably not in the same way mental illness is (if that makes sense—).

that's why i believe adding a detailed rule concerning having your characters have mental illness could be more beneficial instead of restricting it to 3 disorders. ^^

 

[NoZinth]

as i stated before, it's essentially the same exact scenario but with the character & not you, the one playing said character. it's also pointless to have that limit & have to apply, & only gives the staff even MORE applications to look through. on top of the fact that, as someone else said, they have rules against fantasy-based characters & what-not, yet some people — usually new players — still make nonhuman, fantasy characters.

not to mention, if someone is applying for their character to have a certain disorder, i don't believe someone should be dictating whether or not 'how they got that disorder' is good enough for the application to be accepted. because if you're going to view it realistically, only an actual the****** or psychiatrist can determine something like that. staff could see some applications where the reason is actually valid, but may not be informed enough about the disorder & how it manifests, leading them to deny an application due to ignorance.

hence why i believe simply adding a rule to not overdo / be extreme & misrepresent the disorder(s) would be the better option. along with encouraging players to do thorough research on these disorders, basically educating themselves, so they'll (hopefully) gain a proper understanding of it & how to portray it through their character(s). assuming they don't already have the disorder themselves IRL, of course.

The entire point of having an authorisation team, is to look through character authorisation applications, plus, it's not as if every single character walks around Karakura with mental illnesses, it may be a fair amount, but not unlike languages, it could be requested the same way, asking for an additional "disorder/mental illness" for your character, as an incredible amount of people are massively mis-representing how mental illness affects people, meanwhile with the rule you'd think to apply, how would it be enforced? what would the rule be- it really doesn't make any sort of sense to add an additional rule, when you could specifically control which characters have them through applications. You have also stated that psychiatrist's aren't trained, the character's are- once more this is a Roleplay server, not IRL. I have a Surgeon character, although would I have much of a clue how to save someone that's been stabbed in real life? no- not really. whereas I've seen enough counsellors IRL, to be able to help others and friends as such when I can. A rule wouldn't cut it.

 

[milkyram]

The entire point of having an authorisation team, is to look through character authorisation applications, plus, it's not as if every single character walks around Karakura with mental illnesses, it may be a fair amount, but not unlike languages, it could be requested the same way, asking for an additional "disorder/mental illness" for your character, as an incredible amount of people are massively mis-representing how mental illness affects people, meanwhile with the rule you'd think to apply, how would it be enforced? what would the rule be- it really doesn't make any sort of sense to add an additional rule, when you could specifically control which characters have them through applications. You have also stated that psychiatrist's aren't trained, the character's are- once more this is a Roleplay server, not IRL. I have a Surgeon character, although would I have much of a clue how to save someone that's been stabbed in real life? no- not really. whereas I've seen enough counsellors IRL, to be able to help others and friends as such when I can. A rule wouldn't cut it.

adding a limit is unrealistic. "oh, three disorders is too much," — to say this is being insensitive. & claiming it's a LARGE amount of people who misrepresent mental illness is definitely an exaggeration, as that would mean more than half of the server does it. yes, things should be realistic, but there comes a point where things become less realistic & more ridiculous.

my point is, limiting it to 3 disorders & having people apply for more is simply too much just as it is insensitive & ignorant.

& in addition, seeing multiple psychiatrists IRL doesn't mean you're suddenly qualified to help others in the way THEY are. you can only do so much to help someone, whether it be through roleplay or IRL.

to say the rule won't be good enough is an assumption. you won't know if it'll be effective unless you actually try it.

i don't really have the energy to keep going back & forth, so we can just agree to disagree. but i do see where you're coming from, i just don't agree. & i hope none of this came off as aggressive or anything, as that wasn't my intention. if it did, i apologize. ^^;

 

[NoZinth]

adding a limit is unrealistic. "oh, three disorders is too much," — to say this is being insensitive. & claiming it's a LARGE amount of people who misrepresent mental illness is definitely an exaggeration, as that would mean more than half of the server does it. yes, things should be realistic, but there comes a point where things become less realistic & more ridiculous.

my point is, limiting it to 3 disorders & having people apply for more is simply too much just as it is insensitive & ignorant.

& in addition, seeing multiple psychiatrists IRL doesn't mean you're suddenly qualified to help others in the way THEY are. you can only do so much to help someone, whether it be through roleplay or IRL.

to say the rule won't be good enough is an assumption. you won't know if it'll be effective unless you actually try it.

i don't really have the energy to keep going back & forth, so we can just agree to disagree. but i do see where you're coming from, i just don't agree. & i hope none of this came off as aggressive or anything, as that wasn't my intention. if it did, i apologize. ^^;

Stating a large amount and a majority are two different things. I in no way said I was qualified to play the part of any sort of counsellor, but would you say people are able to roleplay out disorders effectively if they haven't had them in real life? the whole idea is roleplay. and sure i'm happy to agree to disagree

 

[HighlightedTwin]

I don’t think my opinion could hold much weight here but I’ll give it a shot. Both sides are making very valid points, both who agree and disagree. It’s a little hard for me to choose a side. I’m pretty sure the only reason staff decided to not use the authorization apps for mental illness is either because it’s too much work or- some other reason I can’t think of.

I definitely understand the people who feel it should be limited. People are always going to mistakenly or even purposely roleplay a scenario inaccurately which could be prevented with further research. I feel as though with applying, characters will have to be put on hold from whatever mental illness they had in order to apply for more (or their current ones assuming you have to apply up to 3 and more. Idk). That would also mean stopping someone mid roleplay and asking “hey did you even apply to have that”. This would also mean even more tickets about someone not applying for having multiple mental illnesses.

Those who disagree, I understand your alt solution. Simply “making a rule”. I’m pretty sure a staff member said that if someone isn’t roleplaying the mental illness properly then it can fall under the “mocking sensitive topics” rule. In a way, making a rule about mental illness can be effective but if you put it in a broader scale, there’s been many guides made by many players and probably even staff about how to roleplay certain disorders/mental illnesses, rules made to hopefully prevent it, and a lot of encouragement to research what you decide to give your character. And let’s say they did add the application. If people really wanted to, they might even make more characters to roleplay the other disorders to avoid having to make an application (assuming it’s for having more than 3 and not for all 3 and more).

So really, my own personal opinion is quite split. I personally haven’t been put in a situation where I’ve met someone on the server with multiple disorders/mental illnesses. The most common ones seems like depression, anxiety, and PTSD. And with how much violence and gangrp happens around town, it seems normal that it could happen.

NEUTRAL

 

[HATOLA]

yes, but SRP psychiatrists are not TRAINED for it like a real psychiatrist is. you can research about it as much as possible, but it doesn't make you qualified to dictate whether someone does or doesn't have the disorder.

to say that having three disorders is a lot is false. you can have depression, anxiety, ptsd & other disorders all at the same time. claiming that it's 'a lot' is being unrealistic as everyone's trauma & situations are different.

hey , thats the whole point. we can't to deal with 3529527 disorders at the same time.

 

[Infi]

I don’t think my opinion could hold much weight here but I’ll give it a shot. Both sides are making very valid points, both who agree and disagree. It’s a little hard for me to choose a side. I’m pretty sure the only reason staff decided to not use the authorization apps for mental illness is either because it’s too much work or- some other reason I can’t think of.

I definitely understand the people who feel it should be limited. People are always going to mistakenly or even purposely roleplay a scenario inaccurately which could be prevented with further research. I feel as though with applying, characters will have to be put on hold from whatever mental illness they had in order to apply for more (or their current ones assuming you have to apply up to 3 and more. Idk). That would also mean stopping someone mid roleplay and asking “hey did you even apply to have that”. This would also mean even more tickets about someone not applying for having multiple mental illnesses.

Those who disagree, I understand your alt solution. Simply “making a rule”. I’m pretty sure a staff member said that if someone isn’t roleplaying the mental illness properly then it can fall under the “mocking sensitive topics” rule. In a way, making a rule about mental illness can be effective but if you put it in a broader scale, there’s been many guides made by many players and probably even staff about how to roleplay certain disorders/mental illnesses, rules made to hopefully prevent it, and a lot of encouragement to research what you decide to give your character. And let’s say they did add the application. If people really wanted to, they might even make more characters to roleplay the other disorders to avoid having to make an application (assuming it’s for having more than 3 and not for all 3 and more).

So really, my own personal opinion is quite split. I personally haven’t been put in a situation where I’ve met someone on the server with multiple disorders/mental illnesses. The most common ones seems like depression, anxiety, and PTSD. And with how much violence and gangrp happens around town, it seems normal that it could happen.

NEUTRAL

I like u

 

[Sakuranekos]

IGN: oInfi
DATE: 3/22/22
WHAT YOU WANT TO SUGGEST OR MENTION: I would like to suggest a new authorization application! This is in regards to the amount of mental disorders your character is able to have. I believe you should have to apply to have more than 3 or 4 mental disorders for your character if you would like to up the amount of disorders you can display.
HOW WILL THIS BENEFIT THE SERVER/COMMUNITY?:
Controversial, I know! After speaking to some psychiatrists and being an EMS myself, it’s been brought to our attention that players are somewhat abusing the fact that they can have as many mental disorders as someone in a psychiatric hospital would have and be able to walk around freely. The purpose of this authorization application is to ensure that the player knows exactly what their mental disorder means and how it will benefit their roleplay not only for themselves, but for others as well. It’s one thing having 3 different mental disorders, that seems somewhat realistic and easy to manage. However we’ve (as in the EMS) have seen multiple accounts of people abusing or misinterpreting the fact that they have 13 mental disorders and can roleplay out whichever one they want.

How would this application work? Well great question! Here would be a plausible format:

IGN:
Roleplay Name:
Requested disorder:
List all current disorders:
How did your character obtain this disorder?:

Characters who have more than 3 mental disorders would have to display it in either their character biography or their description. However I see the flaw of not being able to properly track how many disorders someone has. It would be up to the community to report such things.

Once again the purpose of this application suggestion is to not only make the roleplay more realistic, but also enjoyable for others and to make sure no one abuses the title of a disorder.

I’m very curious to see what you all think!

With that idea.. how many can people have at once and how many can you apply for at once? As I (if we do this) will apply to have my OC have ADHD and a little PTSD... (If what I am thinking of counts as PTSD..) :p

 

[Infi]

With that idea.. how many can people have at once and how many can you apply for at once? As I (if we do this) will apply to have my OC have ADHD and a little PTSD... (If what I am thinking of counts as PTSD..) :p

Well the application is for those who want to exceed more than 3 mental disorders. So you’d be able to have ADHD and PTSD with room for a third disorder without having to apply for anything. The main idea of it is to just make sure you’re understanding what you’re roleplaying out

 

[maraa]

+1

i love this idea, because then, more people who actually KNOW of the said disorder, as in the background information, how to properly roleplay it and what-not. and less people who just do it because they fantasize it..

 

[Latte]

I don’t think my opinion could hold much weight here but I’ll give it a shot. Both sides are making very valid points, both who agree and disagree. It’s a little hard for me to choose a side. I’m pretty sure the only reason staff decided to not use the authorization apps for mental illness is either because it’s too much work or- some other reason I can’t think of.

I definitely understand the people who feel it should be limited. People are always going to mistakenly or even purposely roleplay a scenario inaccurately which could be prevented with further research. I feel as though with applying, characters will have to be put on hold from whatever mental illness they had in order to apply for more (or their current ones assuming you have to apply up to 3 and more. Idk). That would also mean stopping someone mid roleplay and asking “hey did you even apply to have that”. This would also mean even more tickets about someone not applying for having multiple mental illnesses.

Those who disagree, I understand your alt solution. Simply “making a rule”. I’m pretty sure a staff member said that if someone isn’t roleplaying the mental illness properly then it can fall under the “mocking sensitive topics” rule. In a way, making a rule about mental illness can be effective but if you put it in a broader scale, there’s been many guides made by many players and probably even staff about how to roleplay certain disorders/mental illnesses, rules made to hopefully prevent it, and a lot of encouragement to research what you decide to give your character. And let’s say they did add the application. If people really wanted to, they might even make more characters to roleplay the other disorders to avoid having to make an application (assuming it’s for having more than 3 and not for all 3 and more).

So really, my own personal opinion is quite split. I personally haven’t been put in a situation where I’ve met someone on the server with multiple disorders/mental illnesses. The most common ones seems like depression, anxiety, and PTSD. And with how much violence and gangrp happens around town, it seems normal that it could happen.

NEUTRAL

Strongly agreed

 

[☾TwerkingJesusRP☽]

IGN: oInfi
DATE: 3/22/22
WHAT YOU WANT TO SUGGEST OR MENTION: I would like to suggest a new authorization application! This is in regards to the amount of mental disorders your character is able to have. I believe you should have to apply to have more than 3 or 4 mental disorders for your character if you would like to up the amount of disorders you can display.
HOW WILL THIS BENEFIT THE SERVER/COMMUNITY?:
Controversial, I know! After speaking to some psychiatrists and being an EMS myself, it’s been brought to our attention that players are somewhat abusing the fact that they can have as many mental disorders as someone in a psychiatric hospital would have and be able to walk around freely. The purpose of this authorization application is to ensure that the player knows exactly what their mental disorder means and how it will benefit their roleplay not only for themselves, but for others as well. It’s one thing having 3 different mental disorders, that seems somewhat realistic and easy to manage. However we’ve (as in the EMS) have seen multiple accounts of people abusing or misinterpreting the fact that they have 13 mental disorders and can roleplay out whichever one they want.

How would this application work? Well great question! Here would be a plausible format:

IGN:
Roleplay Name:
Requested disorder:
List all current disorders:
How did your character obtain this disorder?:

Characters who have more than 3 mental disorders would have to display it in either their character biography or their description. However I see the flaw of not being able to properly track how many disorders someone has. It would be up to the community to report such things.

Once again the purpose of this application suggestion is to not only make the roleplay more realistic, but also enjoyable for others and to make sure no one abuses the title of a disorder.

I’m very curious to see what you all think!

+1!

 

[dão aula e olham tudo]

-1, no.

Since some people here are using the "psychiatrists would have more things to do" card; making people apply for disorders does not equal to more characters with disorders. Furthermore, SRP already limits its players enough by making them apply in order to roleplay things that they shouldn't apply for. Please, remember that making people apply in order to roleplay what they want does not improve roleplay. I wouldn't like to be limited by having to apply for something that I could just roleplay without having to fill a form and have other people deciding whether I'm allowed to roleplay X thing or not.

On the same note, defining what's a disorder or not would only make things more systematical, give the Staff Team yet another thing to moderate and, overall, make complex what doesn't need be.

Someone who roleplays something that they do not fully understand about will, most likely, not make your experience on this server miserable. It changes a total of zero (0) aspects in your experience on the server if X person doesn't roleplay Y disorder like they necessarily should. No one should do some research in order to roleplay, unless they really want to bring something authentic to the server, but this is not always the case and shouldn't always be the case, specially in this kind of scenario.

However, keep in mind that there is there's a fine line between "not roleplaying something presicely" and "roleplaying something poorly/unrealistic". When it comes to the latter, you can, indeed, report that player to the Staff Team. Otherwise, I see no problem with a person who is actually trying to roleplay something they don't fully understand. If you're an expert at something, you can always teach someone who is struggling with an area you might understand. I'm sure everyone welcomes criticism that can improve their roleplay skills.

Whether you only need to apply if you want your character to have more than 1, 2 or 3 disorders, stop suggesting systematical things that will only make a systematical server under a systematical culture even more systematical.

You shouldn't be limited by an authorization system and extensive guidelines that only limit your creativity.

/looc hi can i see the application for that disorder ur character has?

 

[Customable]

-1, no.

Since some people here are using the "psychiatrists would have more things to do" card; making people apply for disorders does not equal to more characters with disorders. Furthermore, SRP already limits its players enough by making them apply in order to roleplay things that they shouldn't apply for. Please, remember that making people apply in order to roleplay what they want does not improve roleplay. I wouldn't like to be limited by having to apply for something that I could just roleplay without having to fill a form and have other people deciding whether I'm allowed to roleplay X thing or not.

On the same note, defining what's a disorder or not would only make things more systematical, give the Staff Team yet another thing to moderate and, overall, make complex what doesn't need be.

Someone who roleplays something that they do not fully understand about will, most likely, not make your experience on this server miserable. It changes a total of zero (0) aspects in your experience on the server if X person doesn't roleplay Y disorder like they necessarily should. No one should do some research in order to roleplay, unless they really want to bring something authentic to the server, but this is not always the case and shouldn't always be the case, specially in this kind of scenario.

However, keep in mind that there is there's a fine line between "not roleplaying something presicely" and "roleplaying something poorly/unrealistic". When it comes to the latter, you can, indeed, report that player to the Staff Team. Otherwise, I see no problem with a person who is actually trying to roleplay something they don't fully understand. If you're an expert at something, you can always teach someone who is struggling with an area you might understand. I'm sure everyone welcomes criticism that can improve their roleplay skills.

Whether you only need to apply if you want your character to have more than 1, 2 or 3 disorders, stop suggesting systematical things that will only make a systematical server under a systematical culture even more systematical.

/looc hi can i see the application for that disorder ur character has?

I think they are specifically only applying this situation to people who want more than 4 disorders on one character, not if you want a disorder in the first place.

i don’t understand why you would need a list of disorders in the first place, characters are hard enough to play as they are with individual personality.

 

[Customable]

And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying you’re incorrect, players should have every right to roleplay how they feel and what they want, that’s understandable, but things get to a certain point where it’s ridiculous.