felt like replying to this so +1
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If you think about it, you can easily kidnap someone without having to pull out any weapons in public or kill someone, it's easily done through better and more interesting roleplay. The past months have made me notice that half the crimes done in major public seems like baiting and they were, the reason gangrp is dying is because no one wishes to go through the extra steps sending a few actions and roleplaying out a proper kidnapping or killing. Drag them to the side, call them over knock them out it's not hard
Dude, Ion know what you're talking bout when you say "Drag them to side" - That's literally failure to fearrp the public as you're actioning against them in public. If I had a WEAPON I would feel much more safe masked up stabbing some dude in the middle of the big place where I can run off rather then running up to them with a mask, struggling to drag them off for five minutes with my hands. I would "realistically" (apparently) feel more scared doing this with no weapon. Additionally "call them over and knock them out it's not that hard" is very hard due to the fact that's literally baiting. It's been called baiting so many times, I can think of multiple instances where things I've done have been voided because we had a plan that made someone go somewhere but no that's baiting apparently.
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That rule only strictly applies to situations where people pull out weapons without any IC reasoning whatsoever. Both normal players and new players do not have to witness people showing off their illegal weaponry at spawn,
Mr. YonioTheNacho! People flash their illegal weaponry all the time, this town has a ratio of 90 - 10 cops. It's unrealistic for someone to fearrp casper the ghost watching them in the air when there's not a single cop in sight. Who is there to fear out of the Karakura Police Department when hundreds have been stabbed, nugget'd (Limbs removed, eyes gone) and even just completely killed by teenagers? Obviously the aspect of fear-roleplay should be applied when there seems to be no weaponry involved against an officer though.
even more when there are specifically no police officers online.
I don't see how this is a problem, I've admittedly seen applications that are really detailed, really good that have actual roleplayers who want to shift their attitude away from something to the KPD and have proven they can actually be active and a viable solution. In my application I said their was a lack of cops whenever I mostly logged on, I see 0 cops online when I'm online most of the time now so maybe hiring diversity and activity would be better rather then the current criteria that applications work on. Their are people from multiple timezones applying to the KPD that can be really active and they're just getting shafted in favour of other people who clearly aren't active in that timezone. (I am GMT/BST) and even though there are multiple cops in my timezone I never see them online, I wonder how it feels for other european, australian and even asian players lol.
When it comes to actually assaulting someone in public, you can do this if you have enough members to bypass the fear of getting caught. However, if you're a single individual who wants to acts on Major Assault Perms on someone that's at the plaza with 30 other people, you would realistically want to wait for them to leave the area, try to lure them away, etc.
"bypass the fear of getting caught" - this makes no sense, why would I fear getting caught if I've ic'ly already committed to the cause of MURDERING someone. I think murdering someone or stabbing out someone's eye/chopping their left leg off is a good enough reason for me to not fearrp when there's nothing there. If I'm a single person, sure I should be scared - but what's deterring me from running up masked, stabbing, and running away? Nothing is there. I am masked in undistinguishable clothing, if we're talking realism, why would my character who's literally a murderer care if their were 30 other witnesses present. The Bonten war, should've they fearrp'd the public and stopped fighting? The event-watches outnumbered the actual people fighting quite greatly so. "Leave the area" - If this rule is in place no gangroleplayer is ever going to leave plaza since you can't do shit to them while they're at plaza. It's basically the equivalent of a safezone to them at this point. "Try to lure them away". This is literally baiting, like I said in my response to PolarLoLs, many kills have been voided because someone's been told to go somewhere or walked over somewhere just to be stabbed xD. "You cannot bait (unfairly encourage & try to lure someone)"
In fact, in my first months of GangRP, that's how I was killed (and later NLR'd). What the player that had KPS on me did was get someone to lure me out of an area and offer me an item for sale in an apartment. After I accepted, not knowing what could happen, I was killed inside of an apartment. I'm talking about 2019 GangRP, so there isn't really an excuse not to do this
Ok.
The rule is mainly in place to make up for the fact that police is ICly working 24/7, which is confronted by the fact that police officers can't be online for that long. I also do not think that making the roster bigger will fix the issue since that would make it unfair for Gang groups when confronted by officers, not to mention the issue of inactivity that the KPD higher-ups will have to deal with (Refer to the KPD roster purge)
"which is confronted by the fact that police officers can't be online for that long." - Hire more active officers? The last wave I can name atleast two people who are active and engaged with the community around SRP excluding myself as I don't want to bring bias into this. Both rareleaks and gahleee are active people who applied for KPD last wave and were denied, they're both former gangrpers who have proven they have flexible hours. While gahleee is in the dominant timezone of the server, rareleaks is in the area that needs the most help in SRP and admittedly has 10x the reputation I do. Both denied in favor of people with worse applications. This seems more like an OOC problem rather then an IC problem. "I also do not think that making the roster bigger will fix the issue since that would make it unfair for Gang groups when confronted by officers" - This will always be an issue, gangrpers are used to getting flocked on by a band of like 6 cops. It happens and it's the consequences of their actions which they've prepared for, though additionally you could just hire the people with good applications who are in other timezones, there's plenty that apply each wave.
Elaborate, why?
Let me put a scenario where a rule change like this wouldn't be beneficial
There's plenty of scenarios where the rule change would be beneficial though.
Let's say that someone wants to show off their cool Katana and goes to the plaza to do this. Many people call 110, but none of them are online due to the fact that the timezone in which this is happening is quite hard to work with. No matter how many calls, that person will remain there with his Katana for no IC reason because they know that no police officers are going to come. Overall the rule was put in place to regulate what people can and can't do with their knowledge of when a police officer is online/offline
"Let's say that someone wants to show off their cool Katana and goes to the plaza to do this. Many people call 110, but none of them are online due to the fact that the timezone in which this is happening is quite hard to work with." - Refer to previous post. Hire more, active and flexible role-players to the force.
It is true that the call is logged, but it can take the faction hours to properly get 3 officers to attend the situation, at which point the person would already be gone
Then the person has successfully done what they intended to, no? That's the whole point. They just wanted to show off their katana. It makes no sense for them to show off their katana when they know a cop could rock up any moment. Who in the public is there to fear? The surgeons that get up repeatedly like zombies and attempt a mido? Realistically, they have already accepted the consequences of their action by walking to plaza unmasked with a katana and pulling it out infront of a camera.
My point here, though, is that Karakura isn't a PvP server where you shouldn't worry at all where you're at. It should be realistic and a common-sense thought not to do this because of the potential consequences
"It should be realistic and a common-sense thought not to do this because of the potential consequences." Cops die all the time, and a literal event detailed and gave ic inspiration to characters on how there is a lack of consequences, look at how metagarou went out, bro killed 10s of cops and then took the commissioner with him to the grave alone. I don't think it's realistic that the commissioner and metagarou were both in the same helicopter alone, or that it's realistic that the cop who rolls 200 lost to the injured guy who rolls 150. Rolls are stupid by the way, everyone should roll the same amount.
